Yan rubbing salt on Sugars wounds

[ejazahmednit]

Yan is right and has been working his way back to the TS unlike Suka Sean O Malley

 

[Poirierfan]

These are just fans giving their own score. They're not different than me or you. Their scores aren't any better than mine or yours either.

But if you put so much stock into these scores then just know Danny Segura changed his mind and scored it for Suga. You can see that if you click on Well's score. It'll show a tweet where he replied to Danny saying he changed his mind. There was another one who said Suga 29-28 would have not been crazy either.

Only scores that mattered were the judges, and it's not like the two judges that scored it for Suga have a history of shit scores or anything. Those two actually have way more experience than the one that scored it for Yan.

Damn dude, from now on you'll be known to me as xhaydenx69. I know your ass, you mother fucking gots to be trolling.

 

[Pechan]

Well, he isn't wrong. This was a very pointless rematch and now O'Malley at 30 years old, is stuck as a gatekeeper until Merab loses the belt which probably won't be anytime soon.

I mean not really, we saw it with Max you keep beating every contender you will eventually get a title shot again.

 

[Slapjit]

OK boomer

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

Well, he isn't wrong. This was a very pointless rematch and now O'Malley at 30 years old, is stuck as a gatekeeper until Merab loses the belt which probably won't be anytime soon.

Depends on his DWPrivilege level.
Remmember frankie lost 2 title fights in a row against against bendo and right after that got a titleshot against aldo with zero fights in between and never having fought at FW in or out of UFC.

And even after that he was not “stuck as a gatekeeper” and earned another shot at Aldo relatively quickly.

He lost all 4 of these mind you.

 

[Captain Insano]

By "beating Yan" you mean basically paying off the judges to score it for Suga?

25/26 media members scored it for Yan and 7 even gave him 30-27's.

Faber had just come back and stopped Ricky Simon on a 7 fight win streak - he told the UFC he wanted a title shot and they told him to fight Yan since he wanted so much money. Basically a "shit or get off the pot" moment where Yan absolutely obliterated and dismantled him.

As far as Aldo goes he had just dropped to BW and had the incredibly close fight with Moraes who was coming off his title loss that he blew against Cejudo when he had him fighting with one arm and one leg, but managed to gas and mentally collapse after not understanding how to get out of a clinch.

How did the Yan/Faber fight end? It ended with Faber with a broken orbital/broken nose semi-unconscious on the mat.

How did the Yan/Aldo fight end? It ended with Aldo curled in a fetal position eating dozens of brutal shots so the ref had to stop it and save him.

How did the Yan/Suga fight end? It ended with Suga barely being able to get up off the mat when it was over and not even believing he won it when they interviewed him.

I hope that they make Yan/Suga 2 as a 5 round co-main if Yan gets by McGhee, that's the fight we as fans really deserve.

I forgot a out a lot of that and appreciate that big story

 

[the_details]

Remmember frankie lost 2 title fights in a row against against bendo and right after that got a titleshot against aldo with zero fights in between and never having fought at FW in or out of UFC.

Circumstances are different, though. The first Bendo fight was very close, but I do disagree that Frankie should have got that rematch immediately, just like I think BJ shouldn't have got it with Frankie. The second fight with Bendo, though, would have had him in a gatekeeper role, which is why he left the division. Undeserved immediate title fight? Maybe. But he at least proved that he was making a change in his preparation by changing weight classes. And there was already speculation that Aldo would go up in weight to fight Frankie, so the fight had already entered the zeitgeist and had been though of as a superfight of sorts. That fight was just as much about giving Aldo the shine of beating the former LW champ as it was about giving Frankie a free title shot. I don't think the same can be said about Merab-O'Malley 2. Did Merab get any shine from that win?

So I wouldn't say Frankie deserved the immediate shot against Aldo or the Bendo rematch - Specifically the Bendo rematch. But Bendo didn't have to fight someone else while Frankie waited for that free rematch, like Merab did. And Frankie had tangible evidence that he made changes in his camp - the weight class change - before his first fight with Aldo. The only thing O'Malley changed was he stopped gooning, and everyone just takes his word for it because we don't want to see evidence to the contrary.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Yan is about to get a title shot off beating a no wikipedia page unranked nobody soooooo maybe just shut the fuck up you little manlet hypocrite?

McGhee is ranked. Also, Yan deserved the title shot more than Sean even before this coming fight, so I'm not sure what kind of autism someone needs to suffer from to think that the new lower win overrides the earlier higher win. "Hey Petr, I know you just beat a top 5 guy, but now you're facing someone outside the top 10, so that must mean you suck. No more shot for you"

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Yan big mad that the unwanted, unwarranted rematch didn’t go to him? Lol. Yan should fight Umar.

I mean, there were 2 possible choices for Merab 6 months ago, Umar and Fig. Arguably, Fig deserved it much more but Umar was the more exciting name. Merab beat Umar and Yan beat Fig. Yan made more sense than anyone else. Sean and Cory were both off losses. Sean gets a shot off nothing and Cory is gonna get a shot off the sloppy seconds Yan himself didn't get a shot for beating?

If they didn't want Yan to be in this position as the clear next choice, they shouldn't have matched him against the next obvious title contender

 

[Bret 'The Hitman' Hart]

Can't blame him, they robbed him because they wanted O'Malley to have the belt

 

[Pequeño Corey]

I mean, there were 2 possible choices for Merab 6 months ago, Umar and Fig. Arguably, Fig deserved it much more but Umar was the more exciting name. Merab beat Umar and Yan beat Fig. Yan made more sense than anyone else. Sean and Cory were both off losses. Sean gets a shot off nothing and Cory is gonna get a shot off the sloppy seconds Yan himself didn't get a shot for beating?

If they didn't want Yan to be in this position as the clear next choice, they shouldn't have matched him against the next obvious title contender

You’re talking about merit as if that’s something that matters. No one wanted the Yan rematch. He got murked in the last one. He has nothing for Merab despite coming off a win. I’m not arguing that Sean was the logical choice. Quite the opposite. Aside from Yan being in the win column, no one cares to see him fight Merab again.

 

[Streeter]

Yet he literally beat Yan to earn it. Stupid )

 

[Travis Alexander]

Personally I was always against Suga getting the push from the UFC. I just looked at him as another undeserving product of the UFC hype machine….then he fought Yan. I expected Yan to fucking dog walk him and O’Malley proved himself to me in that fight. I don’t care if you had it for either of them it showed unquestionably that he belongs at the top of the division and I had no qualms about him getting his TS off that fight. He may have entered the UFC with the red carpet treatment but he has my respect through his performances against top competition the past couple of years. Especially the Yan and Aljo fights.

 

[El Fernas]

Lol, this guy got his title shot off a win over washed ass Faber and then fought Aldo for the belt, who was coming off two losses and had no wins in the division.

Suga at least beat Yan himself, who was higher ranked than Faber or Aldo.

-Omalley robbed Yan.

-Aldo got robbed against Moraes.

 

[Arm Barbarian]

Personally I was always against Suga getting the push from the UFC. I just looked at him as another undeserving product of the UFC hype machine….then he fought Yan. I expected Yan to fucking dog walk him and O’Malley proved himself to me in that fight. I don’t care if you had it for either of them it showed unquestionably that he belongs at the top of the division and I had no qualms about him getting his TS off that fight. He may have entered the UFC with the red carpet treatment but he has my respect through his performances against top competition the past couple of years. Especially the Yan and Aljo fights.

Same. That was the fight that turned me around about O'Malley as a fighter. He showed big heart in that one.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Heck, I think I remember joining in on the pile-on a bit myself haha.

refreshing to see honesty like this on sherdog. Everyone loves to pretend they dont do it.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

You’re talking about merit as if that’s something that matters. No one wanted the Yan rematch. He got murked in the last one. He has nothing for Merab despite coming off a win. I’m not arguing that Sean was the logical choice. Quite the opposite. Aside from Yan being in the win column, no one cares to see him fight Merab again.

'Unwarranted' was your words, not mine. That's merit based.

Sean didn't have anything for Merab either, and "popular" might be the argument there, but it's not like Sean moves PPV numbers, so like you said, not logical choice there either (I'd have liked Pantoja).

Like I said, if they didn't want Yan to have the argument he's ahead of everyone else they shouldn't have given him the meaningful win. Their short term booking plans had them skyrocket Umar to a shot at the cost of not having Fig or Cory as next up.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

Ah, don't do that, mate. Come on. It was a razor close fight. It wasn't a robbery. It doesn't matter what the media members scored it. Personally, I scored it for Suga, and so did plenty of other people.

It really wasn't that close, it was competitive, but they massaged the fight stats and the commentary blew Suga during the fight to make it seem closer than it really was. That's why 95% of the media and 95% of pro fighters believed Yan to win.

I wrote a whole thread doing a play-by-play breakdown of the scoring years back:

The MMAnalyst Scoring Breakdown - Yan vs. O'Malley Rounds 1 & 3

FIGHT METRIC STATS
SUGA = 23 Significant Strikes
YAN = 19 Significant Strikes

REAL STATS
SUGA = Landed 14 and 5 were significantly damaging
YAN = landed 21 and 10 were significantly damaging

KEY SUMMARY POINT
Re-Watching this round it is literally impossible for me to give the round to O'Malley. He gets out-struck 21-14 (3:2) and in medium strikes 10-5 (2:1), is being walked down the entire round, the best strike of the round to me is the body kick Yan lands against the fence in the early/middle part of the round. O'Malley's offense is pretty much limited to his hands, he can't kick nearly as well as Yan and takes a lot of solid early damage to his legs.

I think this round is kind of reflective to the inherent biases judges have towards punches/head strikes - O'Malley lands 8 punches to the head (5 medium/3 light) and Yan lands 8 punches to the head (2 medium/6 light) so in terms of punches to the head O'Malley does better. But when we factor in the kicks O'Malley lands only 6 light kicks (2 of which are push kicks to knee which barely do any damage) while Yan lands 13 kicks (8 medium/5 light) some of which are really clean and powerful.

Never once does Yan look stunned or hurt and he is the aggressor the entire round. It's just shady to be honest, this isn't like Sterling/Yan 2 where the first round is so low-volume and tentative that it really comes down to interpreting one or two strikes a certain way. This is beyond clear - Yan is coming forward the whole round, out-landing his opponent 3:2, and landing the bigger strikes from those 2:1. He also gets the only takedown/extended control in the round even if it only lasts under a minute.

I gave Suga the 3rd round even though that round is also incredibly close, so I'm not trying to be blind to effective offense because of fighter bias.

But I could care less about what "plenty of people thought" when they can't articulate that thought process - plenty of people thought Machida beat Shogun in the first fight, or Lawler beat Condit, or Paddy beat Gordon, and so on and so on. In every bad decision there is always a vocal minority, which also refuses to acknowledge that it's a minority and think that just by existing and not being able to articulate their position is a validation. As if we are debating what tastes better, pizza or tacos, as if it's a completely subjective interpretation of reality. It's ridiculous, if you want to argue why Suga won then explain why, don't just say "I thought he won" because that's not an argument it's just an opinion.

Simon was on a 7 fight streak, but only 3 of those were in the UFC, and one of them was the controversial win against Merab. Simon was not fighting top fighters and he wasn't a top fighter himself.

I was just explaining the circumstances behind what he fight got made. Uriah was a huge name and had just come back and KO'd Simon in a minute and was negotiating to get another title shot/run at the title. They told him to fight the guy they thought would be the next champion in order to do so.

That doesn't really matter. Aldo didn't deserve that title shot at all. Losing a close fight to Moraes who failed to win the title shouldn't get you a title shot. Aldo still had no wins at all in the division. He should have at least had to beat one top guy.

You can't be okay with Aldo getting a title shot off a close fight he lost but then not be okay with Suga getting a title shot off a close fight you think he lost as well.

I never said I was ok with Aldo getting the title shot.

Didn't Suga get his #1 contender fight off an eye-poke NC versus Pedro Munhoz, a fight in which he lost the first round and did almost nothing?

That's just how the game works, when the UFC wants to push certain fighters they get opportunities that others don't deserved or not.

Both Aldo and Suga are examples of someone losing a fight but still getting rewarded with a title shot off it because of name-value/UFC hype machine.

Yeh, Faber was on his way out, but just having one last crack until he lost. He hasn't fought MMA since that fight.

Not relevant to Yan getting a title shot. This was the title shot.

What's your point? Yan's an amazing fighter. Barely beating him is still an amazing effort. In 18 fights only 2 people had beaten him before Suga did.

My point was that Yan was body-bagging those opponents, it wasn't him crawling off the mat concussed and having gone through a blender and not believing he won a fight.

If you can't see the difference between how those fights ended it's just bias.

Suga is also an amazing fighter. Having a competitive fight with Yan is an amazing effort. But I hate being told by the UFC to not believe my own lying eyes. We all know what we saw and it was a competitive fight with a clear winner that wasn't Suga.

If Suga had been fighting Aldo, he'd have likely had an easier time of it, but instead he fought Yan.

If you want to compare performances like you did above, then how did Yan go against Aljo? Almost 10 rounds and couldn't beat him. Got backpacked to a decision in the decider. How did Suga go? TKOd him within 10 mins.

Complete speculation on how Suga would've done versus Aldo, that likely is a super-competitive fight.

Styles make fights, Yan is a short/stocky slow-building fighter, not a tall/rangy out-fighter. Yan basically won the first fight in an amazing performance before having the ultimate brain-fart and getting a DQ when he had already basically won. Then he got out-grappled for half a fight by one of the best grapplers in the lighter weight classes of all-time and still turned the fight around and arguably won it (split-decision and by PRIDE rules, Street Rules, would've won it).

Suga got to fight him coming off of 3 camps/3 fights in a year on short-notice on Suga's home turf while Suga had a 10-month layoff to prepare for the fight.

But yes Suga did better against Aljo. So what? We are talking about Suga vs. Yan, completely different fight. When you don't have an argument to articulate changing the subject is a good tactic.

Instead of wasting time discussing other match-ups, other situations, other hypotheticals, please explain in detail why you believe Suga beat Yan. I'm all the more happy to hear the argument and take it in fairly, I just haven't heard a good one yet because I actually re-watched the first round multiple times and strike-by-strike calculated what happened and it's not close, it's competitive, meaning Suga didn't get washed out in the round but was nowhere near close to winning it.

 

[JKS]

Yan can run his mouth all he wants, bottom line is that he couldn't beat Sean on his best day, he came close, but not close enough.

This is the guy who got a title shot off a win over Faber who was 4-4 since challenging for a title. Talk about deserving. And then he gets DQd and get a immediate shot again.

Hypocrite. I find all these Russian guys are whiners, entitled and hypocrites.

 

[ArtardFiesta]

They robbed Yan to gift Suga a title shot.

Then leaned on Aljo to fight with injuries on a short camp with Suga getting a 9 month layoff prior.

Then gave Suga an undeserving Chito in his first defense.

Then after clearly losing got a rematch without earning it.

UFC doing what it does to manufacture a star, but can only do so much.

remember the aljo fight was a quick stoppage too