Wrestling is the most important for MMA

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Wrestling is more important for MMA than any other martial art.

HW champion- Cain, the best wrestler in the division.

LHW champion- Jon Jones, the best wrestler in the division.

MW champion- Anderson Silva, almost lost to a one-dimensional wrestler.

WW champion- GSP, the best wrestler in the division.

LW champion- Benson Henderson, the best wrestler in the division.

FW champion- Jose Aldo, the best wrestler in the division.

BW champion- Dominick Cruz, the best wrestler in the division.

FLY champion- Mighty Mouse, the best wrestler in the division.

Obviously other martial arts are important also, and being a well rounded fighter is important, but I see fighters win fights with wrestling alone, and I see wrestling being the most important martial art in the last title fights with Cain, GSP, and Benson winning primarily because of wrestling. The other thing is that the threat of a take-down vastly improves the standup of Cain, GSP, and Benson.
 
Aldo isn't a better wrestled than Mendez mang. Having a good game without a lot of holes is the most important aspect, regardless of what that game is composed of.
 
While I agree with the premise your examples are bad. Anderson has beaten every wrestler he has faced. Almost does not count. Aldo defends takedowns well but Mendes is a much better wrestler.
 
why couldn't someone have figured this out way back in the mid 90's? someone like Coleman or Tito or Kerr?

geez.
 
I don't think you know what wrestling is. Jon Jones is not the best wrestler at LHW, hendo and Evans are better wrestlers. Anderson silva doesn't really wrestle and is p4p best. Aldo is not the best wrestler either and I would say Cruz is not the best in the BW division either
 
Wrestling is freedom. It allows you to fight the way you want to fight whether that includes wrestling or not.
 
didn't the early UFCs determine what was most important?
 
No way aldo is better than mendes.


As for everything else: duh bro.
 
Mad Jitsu said:
Wrestling is more important for MMA than any other martial art.

HW champion- Cain, the best wrestler in the division.

LHW champion- Jon Jones, the best wrestler in the division.

MW champion- Anderson Silva, almost lost to a one-dimensional wrestler.

WW champion- GSP, the best wrestler in the division.

LW champion- Benson Henderson, the best wrestler in the division.

FW champion- Jose Aldo, the best wrestler in the division.

BW champion- Dominick Cruz, the best wrestler in the division.

FLY champion- Mighty Mouse, the best wrestler in the division.

Obviously other martial arts are important also, and being a well rounded fighter is important, but I see fighters win fights with wrestling alone, and I see wrestling being the most important martial art in the last title fights with Cain, GSP, and Benson winning primarily because of wrestling. The other thing is that the threat of a take-down vastly improves the standup of Cain, GSP, and Benson.
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Cain-Got KO in the first round by a striker
Lesnar-Got KO/retired by a kickboxer
Anderson-Beat every wrestler he has fought.
GSP-Lost to a striker
Bendo-Lost to a kickboxer
Aldo-Nowhere close to being the best wrestler in that division, plus he destroyed a great wrestler

Pretty much dismantled your thread...you're welcome!
 
If you had to have just one martial art being a great wrestler alone would suffice in getting you to the mid tier in the UFC. The same could not be said about Ju Jitsu or any striking discipline.

On it's own wrestling > any other martial art.

Having said that eventually wrestlers will come up against someone with decent grappling and good striking. You can't be a champion with just great wrestling in all of the examples you mentioned, those fighters are champions because they're as good at striking as they are wrestling.

Take away their striking and they wouldn't be champions 100%, it's the reason Mendez, Fitch, Koscheck, Chael, Cormier, etc will never be champions.
 
Seeing as how almost nobody just trains wrestling, and most people train a combination of the grappling arts, these debates don't work.
 
Shocco said:
If you had to have just one martial art being a great wrestler alone would suffice in getting you to the mid tier in the UFC. The same could not be said about Ju Jitsu or any striking discipline.

On it's own wrestling > any other martial art.

Having said that eventually wrestlers will come up against someone with decent grappling and good striking. You can't be a champion with just great wrestling in all of the examples you mentioned, those fighters are champions because they're as good at striking as they are wrestling.

Take away their striking and they wouldn't be champions 100%, it's the reason Mendez, Fitch, Koscheck, Chael, Cormier, etc will never be champions.
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I disagree, traditional Jiu-Jitsu would get you as far as traditional wrestling.
 
JayMachiavelli said:
Cain-Got KO in the first round by a striker
Lesnar-Got KO/retired by a kickboxer
Anderson-Beat every wrestler he has fought.
GSP-Lost to a striker
Bendo-Lost to a kickboxer
Aldo-Nowhere close to being the best wrestler in that division, plus he destroyed a great wrestler

Pretty much dismantled your thread...you're welcome!
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What striker did GSP lose to genius? 2 losses...Hughes (wrestler) Serra (BJJ)....dont even argue that Serra is a striker....cause you will look even more inadequate than your original arrogant post...which had some validity till you went all cocky.....
 
Shocco said:
If you had to have just one martial art being a great wrestler alone would suffice in getting you to the mid tier in the UFC. The same could not be said about Ju Jitsu or any striking discipline.

On it's own wrestling > any other martial art.

Having said that eventually wrestlers will come up against someone with decent grappling and good striking. You can't be a champion with just great wrestling in all of the examples you mentioned, those fighters are champions because they're as good at striking as they are wrestling.

Take away their striking and they wouldn't be champions 100%, it's the reason Mendez, Fitch, Koscheck, Chael, Cormier, etc will never be champions.
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Obviously it depends on where the sport has evolved to... Royce Gracie showed just how important BJJ is at dismantling just about any other pure 1 dimensional martial art.

Nowadays, wrestling is important because it's basically the tiebreaker. If you can't knock him out, or submit him, well at least you can win on points by controlling the position.

E: And don't get too excited about Cain's victory. That fight was a testament to his striking, not his wrestling. I wouldn't be surprised to see Cain and JDS have a 4-5 fight series where they both get a couple wins.
 
CalmDown said:
BJJ is and always will be the most important part of MMA. Royce Gracie showed us this by beating an Olympic Greco roman wrestler that weighed almost 100lbs more that him.

Wrestlers can compete in MMA ONLY if they first learn some BJJ techniques defending and what not. A BJJ athlete doesn't need wrestling too compete in MMA.
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and you don't need BJJ to compete in MMA either.
Jiu-Jistu, Judo, Sambo, and Catch Wrestling are all more effective than BJJ.
 
Glen S said:
What striker did GSP lose to genius? 2 losses...Hughes (wrestler) Serra (BJJ)....dont even argue that Serra is a striker....cause you will look even more inadequate than your original arrogant post...which had some validity till you went all cocky.....
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1. Butthurt GSP fan, after all these yrs.

2. Serra trains striking with Ray Longo and apparently it worked.
 
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