JZMinotauro
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Why is it that wrestling is arguably the most dominant art in mma (with bjj of course) yet people don't know anything about it?
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f61/daniel-cormier-wins-again-1st-kotc-1315573/index9.html
WHERE DO PEOPLE COME UP WITH THIS STUFF???
What is with the total lack of appreciation for folkstyle wrestling and why do people think that freestyle wrestling, where you have to expose your opponents back to the mat, is so good for mma?
(we were discussing why folkstyle is beter for mma)
Look I can deal with discussion, but why do people pretend to know about this? If one made a mistake about bjj or boxing/kickboxing, this guy would have been torn up immediately, yet there is no controversy over this matter, so people feel fit to make things up to fit their agenda. WHY??????
People out there actually believe this, come one a JUCO greco wrestler? Cael Sanderson is sloppy?
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f61/daniel-cormier-wins-again-1st-kotc-1315573/index9.html
Both styles incoporate control, Folkstyle just emphasizes it more then Freestyle. International wrestler would wreck collegiate wrestlers weather its folkstyle rules or freestyle rules and you know it. The best wrestlers in the world come from russia,iran,georgia, black sea nations, cuba, ect. Folkstyle wrestlers become better wrestlers if they compete internationally. Cormier was a Folkstyle wrestler himself..So I don't know what you are talking about. International wresters>D1 collegiate wrestlers PERIOD.
This is my argument to you. A wrestler who wrestled in college and goes out and gets international experience as a freestyler is a better wrestler then any college D-1 Champ, and you can't get to admit that. One of the best wrestlers of our time is Cael Sanderson, yes he was a D-1 champ, but I gaurantee you that he would beat any D-1 champ for the last decade because of his international experience. Internnational wrestlers> d-1 wrestlers because their technique is sharper even though the 2 styles have different techniques due to strategy. You can compare the international wrestlers to College wrestlers.
If you have a folkstyle wrestler, and goes out and to international competitions and works on his sprawl, he may not be able to do granby rolls, but you can do carries and other crap I can't remember cause I havn't wrestle since I was a teenager. But for you to say that somebody can't improve techniques from freestyle and convert it to folkstyle is disingenuous. Bones is greco, and GSP is not a wrestler. Why you think Rashad said that Mo got the best wrestling in MMA, because he competed more recently and has more polished skills then a GSP. Please tell me you are not serious. Do you think GSP is world class?:icon_lol:
when you are in a tie with an oppenent in freestyle, that consists of body control, good positioning on your feet. If a folkstyle wrestler goes against a good freestyle wrestler, who is going to dominate on the feet, I'll say a international wrestler would. This is why I think freestyle is better for MMA, better wrestling skills on the feet, all the grinding on the ground is folkstyle and that doesn't pay the bills. Doesn't a match start on the feet. International wrestlers>D-1 wrestlers, International wrestlers better for MMA, and pays the bills.
Look Folkstyle rules benefits the wrestler with inferior skills and bigger lungs. A skilled Folkstyle wrestler would tire out his oponent and go to work. A freestyle wrestler would whoop a folkstyle wrestler's ass if he tries to shoot because of the superior body positioning and better defensive skills on the feet, also better shots and body control on the feet. A smart folkstyle wrestler would train in both Greco and Freestyle to give them the edge on the feet and finish off fights quickly instead of just grinding out scores. Cael Sanderson used to have sloppy shots until he became proficient in freestyle.
Folkstyle is only done in the United States, and I don't remember the U.S. being a dominant force in the Olympics for freestyle or Greco. Bones is a JUCO Greco champ, he is not world class like Chael Sonnen who is superior to Jones in wrestling. GSP is a grappler(submission wrestling) King Mo is not a grappler and GSP is a superior grappler to King Mo, but if they went head to head, GSP WILL NOT TAKE MO OR BEN ASKREN DOWN PERIOD !! STOP SMOKING!!! Mo's and Askren's hips are too heavy and has way more wrestling techique then GSP. You are just a GSP fanboy so let me say this GSP BEING A WORLD CLASS WRESTLER IS A JOKE Now all you see now is U.S. Wrestlers who only knows folkstyle to dominate MMA, if you get a good group of freestyle wrestlers-I guarantee you the notion of folkstyle wrestlers superiority will be changed. Which world class freestyle wrestler has GSP fought? oh the answer is none. Folkstyle wrestler skills on the feet sucks, all their skills is no the ground for ground body control.
WHERE DO PEOPLE COME UP WITH THIS STUFF???
What is with the total lack of appreciation for folkstyle wrestling and why do people think that freestyle wrestling, where you have to expose your opponents back to the mat, is so good for mma?
(we were discussing why folkstyle is beter for mma)
Look I can deal with discussion, but why do people pretend to know about this? If one made a mistake about bjj or boxing/kickboxing, this guy would have been torn up immediately, yet there is no controversy over this matter, so people feel fit to make things up to fit their agenda. WHY??????
People out there actually believe this, come one a JUCO greco wrestler? Cael Sanderson is sloppy?