Social WR Lounge v267: [ CENSORED ]

[koquerelle]

In general, liberalism is about principles

lol
That's not true anymore and hasn't been for a while. Acting smug and acting with principles are 2 different things. That's the main reason it's so difficult for me to be a liberal.

 

[Joe]

 

[Jack V Savage]

See, you're mistaking my want for open discussion as a want to spread hate. I don't get how that paragraph has anything to do with the discussion as a whole. Talking about something doesn't mean the person hates the subject of the topic.

What I'm saying is that you're saying that one side of the "should we treat transgendered people with respect" issue is based on feelings and the other side is not. First, you can't have positions on issues without feelings, but it seems to me "treat people with respect and give everyone equal rights regardless of their preferred style" is more rules-based than "some people should be shunned."

As for your last paragraph? It's clearly the "right" that's open to even talking about some issues. The unwillingness to broach topics is precisely why I'm not aligned with conservatives as much of that behavior stems from dogma rooted in religion. They've just bundled that mindset into politics.

Doesn't seem true from my experience, but surely it's relevant that the right that is actually in power is actively attacking freedom of speech, no?

 

[Bald1]

<{ByeHomer}>

Things in the political arena are complicated, especially in the binary system the US has going on. Some people pick a side and run with it, regardless of what they disagree with.

 

[koquerelle]

See, you're mistaking my want for open discussion as a want to spread hate. I don't get how that paragraph has anything to do with the discussion as a whole. Talking about something doesn't mean the person hates the subject of the topic.

As for your last paragraph? It's clearly the "right" that's open to even talking about some issues. The unwillingness to broach topics is precisely why I'm not aligned with conservatives as much of that behavior stems from dogma rooted in religion. They've just bundled that mindset into politics.

Don't bother. The guy used to be super cool to talk with (boxing of life in general) and then became as unhinged as Proud American.

 

[Jack V Savage]

lol
That's not true anymore and hasn't been for a while. Acting smug and acting with principles are 2 different things. That's the main reason it's so difficult for me to be a liberal.

No, it's true by definition. There are certainly illiberal elements on both the left and especially the right in America, though.

 

[Sycho Sid]

Check out this weird mix of thottery and genocide

Gal Gadot 2.0?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Things in the political arena are complicated, especially in the binary system the US has going on. Some people pick a side and run with it, regardless of what they disagree with. I

Yes, clearly it is impossible to disagree with you without being some kind of automaton. I guess believing that is a good way to avoid thinking.

 

[Andy Capp]

Alright, got any reading on it? I have some time to kill yet.

You can start here. The right wing tactic of scapegoating to fear monger and demonize people just because they vote democrat goes back even further than Nixon--heard of McCarthyism?--but this should serve well enough.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-behind-the-dea-s-long-war-on-marijuana/
https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/poli...chard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html

 

[Bald1]

Yes, clearly it is impossible to disagree with you without being some kind of automaton. I guess believing that is a good way to avoid thinking.

Yes, thinking is a good way to avoid thinking. Thanks Jack.

 

[sickness2.0]

Things in the political arena are complicated, especially in the binary system the US has going on. Some people pick a side and run with it, regardless of what they disagree with.

That's fair. I'm a right wing Christian.

 

[Bald1]

Don't bother. The guy used to be super cool to talk with (boxing of life in general) and then became as unhinged as Proud American.

I'm quite familiar with Jack. Just waiting for him to start throwing jabs, then accusing me if being uncivil.


Lol. I should have pressed send a few minutes ago.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Yes, thinking is a good way to avoid thinking. Thanks Jack.

No, I made a point. Rather than respond to it, either to identify something wrong or to acknowledge that is correct, you resorted to an ad hominem. It seems clear that it's about shielding yourself from any challenges to your thinking.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I'm quite familiar with Jack. Just waiting for him to start throwing jabs, then accusing me if being uncivil.

Lol. I should have pressed send a few minutes ago.

Yeah, I'm a piece of shit because I politely disagreed with you and you resorted to a personal attack, and then I pointed out what you're doing. Bad Jack, bad.

 

[Bald1]

That's fair. I'm a right wing Christian.

Fine by me. I'm a liberal atheist. Also, apparently an "enlightened centrist" as the newly rolled out disparaging label goes.

The thing people want to dismiss is that there's value in both conservative and progressive values. Doing things because we've always done them a certain way is as bad as making changes without forethought. I was raised Roman Catholic and have a fundamental dislike for being judged for who I am, original sin, and dogma. Hence, liberal! Regardless of which way the political wind blows.

 

[Bald1]

Yeah, I'm a piece of shit because I politely disagreed with you and you resorted to a personal attack, and then I pointed out what you're doing. Bad Jack, bad.

Please point out this personal attack.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Please point out this personal attack.

"Things in the political arena are complicated, especially in the binary system the US has going on. Some people pick a side and run with it, regardless of what they disagree with."

You're not addressing the points, just saying that I'm some kind of automaton because I dared to disagree with you. And then some troll chimed in, and you added more attacks. Respectful disagreement and facts that contradict your narrative apparently make me a monster.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Check out this weird mix of thottery and genocide

 

[Bald1]

"Things in the political arena are complicated, especially in the binary system the US has going on. Some people pick a side and run with it, regardless of what they disagree with."

You're not addressing the points, just saying that I'm some kind of automaton because I dared to disagree with you. And then some troll chimed in, and you added more attacks. Respectful disagreement and facts that contradict your narrative apparently make me a monster.

How big is your ego that you think everything is about you? I'm legit laughing here. That response was to a different poster who clearly took an exception to me pointing out I'm not a conservative and how "some" people can't escape their teams orthodoxy. I would have addressed you directly if I was talking about you. Holy shit! Lol

I've been talking to you one on one in a polite manner. Why would you think that post was directed at you? Do you think I shy away from butting heads? Look at the last few shit storms I've been involved in since posting in the lounge for examples otherwise.

 

[HereticBD]

How big is your ego that you think everything is about you?

LOL, that should be Jackie's sig. It would make his character complete.