Social WR Lounge v252: Move to C T Pa Town?

[Gregolian]

What incentive is there for anyone to make any product affordable? Why can you buy cars for under $50K or eat at a restaurant for less than $100/person?

Because people don't want to carry a 23% loan for 30 years to pay off a Lambo.

Well, see, if that's true, and it's legal to buy anywhere, someone else can come in and make homes and list it at $480K. There isn't an unlimited supply of people who want to pay $750K to live in the area. You have to at least grant that there's a theoretical amount of housing units that can be built that would cause prices to drop, right? So the question becomes, what would stop that amount from being built? The most common answer to that question is just that it's illegal.

There's no law stopping people from not building more affordable stuff. Here's the problem facing a place like SLC. Guess what is moving in here? Tech companies which bloats home prices even more and again, prices out the locals.

The incentive to lower prices is competition and willingness of consumers to pay.

And the way the housing market is now, unless the fucking bubble bursts sometime soon... is you have to offer over asking. So there is NO incentive to lower prices and there won't be unless the bubble bursts. But when the bubble bursts, everyone's money loses value too and puts people like me in a rough situation... again.

You're acting like I oppose affordable housing, when my point is precisely that I support more construction so that housing costs go down.

I don't think you oppose it. I just think your solution is a joke and doesn't work in practice. It didn't work in Seattle and the town I lived in in Washington and it's not working here in SLC. You can build all you want but when people see the prices new stuff goes for, the older at one time affordable stuff will ALSO go up and price people out.

 

[My Spot]

I do love how WWE tries to keep a lid on that.

It’s not just WWE. The same people who hate Hogan now worship Austin as well.

 

[LMP]

Sure, but he updates his threads whenever there's new developments, continues to comment in his threads and gets really pissed off if they are derailed.
That's a hell of a lot better than just posting a title and a link, tweet or youtube video.
I blame mobile phones and the general trend in cut and paste social media.

Are we talking about the guy who starts threads then bitches to the mods non stop to thread ban people when they comment?

@Arkain2K threads are fine and i have no problem with him. He usually post interesting topics, but his OPs leave a lot of room for improvement. Can we thank @Cubo de Sangre for the thread ban movement?

 

[Ruprecht]

Now that is not a surprise

They are shit.
At least if we get neural links most people won't struggle to post complete words.

 

[Ruprecht]

@Arkain2K threads are fine and i have no problem with him. He usually post interesting topics, but his OPs leave a lot of room for improvement. Can we thank @Cubo de Sangre for the thread ban movement?

What is the thread ban movement?

 

[LMP]

Jack has over 100 posters on ignore by his own admission.

And you never post anything of substance. Everyone has there own reason for posting here. Also dont forget to @ the people you talking about.

 

[Gregolian]

It’s not just WWE. The same people who hate Hogan now worship Austin as well.

I hate Hogan for being HHH before HHH with his golden shovel.

 

[LMP]

What is the thread ban movement?

I was just referring to Cubo's PotWRs where he was having mods thread ban people that were derailing.

 

[JDragon]

I was just referring to Cubo's PotWRs where he was having mods thread ban people that were derailing.

It would be quite interesting to give people the chance to mod their own threads. Like site bans and general rule enforcement would always be a mod thing, but so that everyone could mod their thread as they see fit on top.

 

[Gandhi]

@ghandi its my fault for how I framed the question. I should have asked do you think this guy deserves to go to jail over this rather than did he do something criminal.

Look I wasn't always a lawyer. When I was young if you saw someone walking through your hood and you fronted him the cops didn't get called. This was before cell phone cameras and all that. Maybe this is just nostalgia for my youth speaking.

You also need to improve use of the @ function

I hear you on the hood thing. I was a little “rough around the corners” in my day as well. But this is a pretty bad example.

This a grown pretty big man flipping out on what looks like a scrawny possible developmentally challenged kid, not some youth fighting over turf.

No he should not go to jail. A nice fine and a judge telling him to stop being a dick would do for me.

 

[Andy Capp]

"Gentrification" is generally used to frame improvement as a negative thing.

That's just stripping the topic of all context and very disingenuous of you to suggest, Jack. The issue is displacing poor people from their reasonably priced living spaces and driving them further and further from the places they all work just to find a new place they can afford, dividing their community, being forced into a long bus commute every day because of greedy arseholes turning multi-dwelling buildings into air-fucking-bnb, and shit.

 

[Gregolian]

It would be quite interesting to give people the chance to mod their own threads. Like site bans and general rule enforcement would always be a mod thing, but so that everyone could mod their thread as they see fit on top.

That sounds terrible.

 

[LMP]

It would be quite interesting to give people the chance to mod their own threads. Like site bans and general rule enforcement would always be a mod thing, but so that everyone could mod their thread as they see fit on top.

Meh, they would all just mostly become echo chambers and allow for false narratives to be pushed much more easily.

 

[Ruprecht]

I was just referring to Cubo's PotWRs where he was having mods thread ban people that were derailing.

Oh right. No, it was decided from on high that derailing wasn't infractable any more, so we just reply ban instead. Of course the infractions for off topic flaming largely replaced it. Plus if there's a few hopeless cases that just can't stop dragging their personal beef around, it's simpler to just reply ban them than infract/ban them both.
That's usually when we strongly recommend that people DO use the ignore function though.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Everything I learned about "gentrification" I learned from Furious Styles.

Time stamped for you fools.

 

[LMP]

Oh right. No, it was decided from on high that derailing wasn't infractable any more, so we just reply ban instead. Of course the infractions for off topic flaming largely replaced it. Plus if there's a few hopeless cases that just can't stop dragging their personal beef around, it's simpler to just reply ban them than infract/ban them both.
That's usually when we strongly recommend that people DO use the ignore function though.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Because people don't want to carry a 23% loan for 30 years to pay off a Lambo.

OK. So carmakers make cheaper cars for people who want to buy a car but aren't going to pay less, right? Do you see where I'm going here?

There's no law stopping people from not building more affordable stuff. Here's the problem facing a place like SLC. Guess what is moving in here? Tech companies which bloats home prices even more and again, prices out the locals.

I don't know the specifics of the market there, but generally, it is, in fact, the problem that there are laws stopping people from building more-affordable stuff. That's what I oppose getting rid of. And, again, see the San Jose example. It happened already. Instead of buying nice new places, they didn't allow them to be built so tech people are paying millions for ordinary houses. The choices are don't be a desirable place to live, be a desirable place and allow a lot of construction (including luxury housing), or be desirable and have ordinary houses cost as much as luxury housing.

And the way the housing market is now, unless the fucking bubble bursts sometime soon... is you have to offer over asking. So there is NO incentive to lower prices and there won't be unless the bubble bursts. But when the bubble bursts, everyone's money loses value too and puts people like me in a rough situation... again.

What you're describing is a market that has an insufficient supply of housing. The solution to that is to build more housing.

I don't think you oppose it. I just think your solution is a joke and doesn't work in practice. It didn't work in Seattle and the town I lived in in Washington and it's not working here in SLC. You can build all you want but when people see the prices new stuff goes for, the older at one time affordable stuff will ALSO go up and price people out.

It totally wasn't used in Seattle. They also have a housing shortage. The solution they tried is the one I oppose.

 

[HomeCheese]

Thought this was interesting, I wish US prices had kept pace with the rise in value of some of these other countries.

 

[Jack V Savage]

That's just stripping the topic of all context and very disingenuous of you to suggest, Jack. The issue is displacing poor people from their reasonably priced living spaces and driving them further and further from the places they all work just to find a new place they can afford, dividing their community, being forced into a long bus commute every day because of greedy arseholes turning multi-dwelling buildings into air-fucking-bnb, and shit.

Well, if that's the issue, I oppose "gentrification." But I support building communities up, having more jobs, better entertainment/food options, etc. I think accompanying that with construction of nice new housing is ideal.

Also, I don't think that Air BnB or whatever has any material effect on the issue.

 

[Gandhi]

Other than getting the govt to buy housing and / or subsidize rent I don’t get what alternative there is. You either allow supply to go up or have less houses.