Social WR Lounge v250: The Discord strikes back

[Rational Poster]

Yo @Sara I get my second shot in a couple weeks will you massage the injection site for me?

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Start one. Could be interesting.

Much of Hollywood is geared left/liberal.

are you thinking of movies that specifically espouse leftist values/ideas?

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Well, it is a pussy thing to do, considering it's a forum where people post anonymously. Bad trend you started there.

it truly is the ultimate bitch move on Sherdog.
a special belt should be awarded to those who do this.

 

[Rational Poster]

Much of Hollywood is geared left/liberal.

are you thinking of movies that specifically espouse leftist values/ideas?

America is a liberal country. Everything about it is liberal.

Movies are geared toward American audiences.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Much of Hollywood is geared left/liberal.

are you thinking of movies that specifically espouse leftist values/ideas?

Yeah. Like what are the best movies with a left-wing message? The Maltese Falcon? The Matrix?

You know one that wasn't mentioned in the first thread was Groundhog Day. Certainly not consistent with the thinking of the modern right, but it's about the relationship between the superior man and society, right? And the message is that he should choose to be the benefactor of society for his own sake and theirs (a lefty message would be more about how such a privileged position would inevitably lead to abuse).

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Yeah. Like what are the best movies with a left-wing message? The Maltese Falcon? The Matrix?

You know one that wasn't mentioned in the first thread was Groundhog Day. Certainly not consistent with the thinking of the modern right, but it's about the relationship between the superior man and society, right? And the message is that he should choose to be the benefactor of society for his own sake and theirs (a lefty message would be more about how such a privileged position would inevitably lead to abuse).

my picks for "conservative films"

were Pursuit of Happyness, Red Dawn and Grand Torino for the reasons explained...

Matrix...that's an interesting pick...I thought it was more a of Buddhist film, or a retelling of Plato's "Allegory of the Cave."

I mean, I get some of the "leftist" elements like, fighting the system, or upending a repressive, restrictive system of government.

Regarding Groundhog Day, I don't know if that's left or right.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

my picks for "conservative films"

were Pursuit of Happyness, Red Dawn and Grand Torino for the reasons explained...

Matrix...that's an interesting pick...I thought it was more a of Buddhist film, or a retelling of Plato's "Allegory of the Cave."

I mean, I get some of the "leftist" elements like, fighting the system, or upending a repressive, restrictive system of government.

Regarding Groundhog Day, I don't know if that's left or right.

you guys need Ostrov in your lives. or some Tarkovski in general.

 

[Ruprecht]

yup, all it takes is Meditation, Yoga, work outs and an appreciation for the smaller things in life.
that is how one develops restraint and balance in life. which is why I think I should be made Mod here.

@Ruprecht , you agree with me, right?

Hah!
I have to say that, to the best of my knowledge, while I've been a mod the number of mods taken from those that asked, volunteered or demanded has been 0.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Hah!
I have to say that while I've been a mod, the number of mods taken from those that asked, volunteered or demanded has been 0.

so I take that as a yes, for me?

when do I start.

I have a list of people that need to be purged.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

you guys need Ostrov in your lives. or some Tarkovski in general.

please elaborate on this..

 

[Jack V Savage]

my picks for "conservative films"

were Pursuit of Happyness, Red Dawn and Grand Torino for the reasons explained...

Matrix...that's an interesting pick...I thought it was more a of Buddhist film, or a retelling of Plato's "Allegory of the Cave."

I mean, I get some of the "leftist" elements like, fighting the system, or upending a repressive, restrictive system of government.

Regarding Groundhog Day, I don't know if that's left or right.

In the Matrix, people are used as batteries for the system. It's a little on the nose, if anything. Great movie, though.

Regarding GD, I think a lot of the left and right get in the mindset of thinking that "everyone should be an asshole and let the poor starve in the streets" is the rightist position. But an actual functioning conservative society would be one in which the powerful had minimal legal obligations to the rest of society but they would have moral and social obligations (liberals just believe that people act according to incentives on average and observe that that illiberal societies never really work in practice, while leftists tend to think that we can and should have a totally different incentive structure) that they would need to meet.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

please elaborate on this..

i'm a sucker for visual theology, and there's not one Tarkovski movie that isn't a slice of a very orthodox bible, a sort of ritual in itself, of a people that though christian for 1000 years are still howling with the taiga gods when the moon is right. bringing politics into that type of creation is often silly, because it appears to transcend it, since neither Ostrov, which is a new movie, or the Tarkovski work, deal with society as a complete form, but more of stills of life. it's what Malick wants to be when he grows up.
so it's not right or left wing, for sure. and i say that because i can make the case for it being both, neither, and each at the same time, which would be a barbarism.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

i'm a sucker for visual theology, and there's not one Tarkovski movie that isn't a slice of a very orthodox bible, a sort of ritual in itself, of a people that though christian for 1000 years are still howling with the taiga gods when the moon is right. bringing politics into that type of creation is often silly, because it appears to transcend it, since neither Ostrov, which is a new movie, or the Tarkovski work, deal with society as a complete form, but more of stills of life. it's what Malick wants to be when he grows up.
so it's not right or left wing, for sure. and i say that because i can make the case for it being both, neither, and each at the same time, which would be a barbarism.

**like,
interesting answer.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

In the Matrix, people are used as batteries for the system. It's a little on the nose, if anything. Great movie, though.

Regarding GD, I think a lot of the left and right get in the mindset of thinking that "everyone should be an asshole and let the poor starve in the streets" is the rightist position. But an actual functioning conservative society would be one in which the powerful had minimal legal obligations to the rest of society but they would have moral and social obligations (liberals just believe that people act according to incentives on average and observe that that illiberal societies never really work in practice, while leftists tend to think that we can and should have a totally different incentive structure) that they would need to meet.

ok, how about V for Vendetta, Do you considering this more of a "liberal" film or "conservative."?

@AgonyandIrony I would like to see your answer as well.

 

[Jack V Savage]

@Social Distance Warrior, my favorite exchange with Inga:

Also, you "liked" this post:

"She represents her district of America hating immigrants.

Demographics are destiny."

Can you explain what about it you found likeable?

Yes, I found the post likable because it did not make any distinction based on party, religion, or race but instead singled out an anti-American attitude as blameworthy. I don't think immigrants should be welcomed or refused based on which party they are likely to vote for, based on their religion, or based on their race. I do think an animus to this country, its culture, institutions, or history are objectionable in an immigrant. This is of course, precisely what you've have worked so hard to obfuscate, trying instead to make it seem as race were the problem.

It's another classic case of you playing the race card.

Is there a problem with your screen? This is the entire post:

"She represents her district of America hating immigrants.

Demographics are destiny."

That's very explicitly racist. Why would you say *I'm* playing the race card by asking why you'd like it?

I don't doubt that you see race there, because you tend to see many things in terms of race when you shouldn't. That's the nature of the race card. You get a few cheap wins but you pay for it because it narrows your perspective in the long term.

I've bent over backwards for you explaining that I have race, party, and religion are not reasons I see to allow or deny immigrants, and really for what? You could care less whether I am actually a racist or not. You'll just slander me anyway. It who you are.

What do you understand "demographics are destiny" in that context to mean?

If you don't screen for anti-American attitudes among immigrants, you will end up with anti-American Congresswomen like Ilhan Omar. That however, is not the part of the comment I liked the comment for. As I already explained, I like the emphasis on anti-American attitude, which is a legitimate reason to not allow someone to immigrate here, as opposed to race or religion, which imo are not good reasons to prohibit immigration here.

So for example, we should be wary of accepting more immigrants from places like Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan, or Somalia, which seemed to have anti-Americanism inculcated into their culture. However, Islam, though it is a common factor there, is not the focus, so immigrants from Malaysia or Morocco should be welcomed.

You are smart enough to make these distinctions yourself, but you are attempting to play dumb to score points. Congratulations to your success in this endeavor.

Wait a minute, you're claiming to believe that "demographics" refers to "attitudes" and that *I'm* playing dumb? Do I have that right?

When someone says, "demographics is destiny," what they mean is that you need to screen for anti-American attitudes. Anyone buy that?

It's a comical level of dishonesty (and after every desperate spin attempt, she keeps pouring on personal attacks to deflect and activate partisanship).

 

[Jack V Savage]

ok, how about V for Vendetta, Do you considering this more of a "liberal" film or "conservative."?

@AgonyandIrony I would like to see your answer as well.

Definitely leftist.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

In the Matrix, people are used as batteries for the system. It's a little on the nose, if anything. Great movie, though.

Regarding GD, I think a lot of the left and right get in the mindset of thinking that "everyone should be an asshole and let the poor starve in the streets" is the rightist position. But an actual functioning conservative society would be one in which the powerful had minimal legal obligations to the rest of society but they would have moral and social obligations (liberals just believe that people act according to incentives on average and observe that that illiberal societies never really work in practice, while leftists tend to think that we can and should have a totally different incentive structure) that they would need to meet.

to address @essie 's question in regards to what is a "liberal" or "leftist" film I think of any film that accentuates/emphasizes the economic inequalities between the Haves and "have nots", any film that portrays a clear demarcation between the ruling class and proletariat.

Elsyium for example




or a more recent example, the phenomenal film, Parasite.

 

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

@essie some I would like to see discussed:

Planet of the Apes (Dawn of the - I think?)
Black Panther
Blade Runner 2049
Legends of the Fall
Minority Report

^ Parasite is a good call too.

 

[Gregolian]

to address @essie 's question in regards to what is a "liberal" or "leftist" film I think of any film that accentuates/emphasizes the economic inequalities between the Haves and "have nots", any film that portrays a clear demarcation between the ruling class and proletariat.

Elsyium for example

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or a more recent example, the phenomenal film, Parasite.

Elysium is too damn heavy handed about it IMO but it gets its point across.

District 9 is similar in nature.

 

[Proud American]

to address @essie 's question in regards to what is a "liberal" or "leftist" film I think of any film that accentuates/emphasizes the economic inequalities between the Haves and "have nots", any film that portrays a clear demarcation between the ruling class and proletariat.

Elsyium for example

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or a more recent example, the phenomenal film, Parasite.

I JUST watched parasite last night. Great flick.

I’m in this thread to see if anyone knows why Mccountry got banned. Anyone know?

This is a very straightforward place with fairly simple rules. How do people keep breaking them?