wow.................. ben...

dimmyfinster said:
No offense to you spider guard a, but Henry Akins should STFU with his Rickson self promotion. Rickson's MMA knowledge is from s different era, and his MMA achievements are not in Askren league.
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i feel henry is the kinda guy whod pull closed guard for 3 rounds lose the decision then point to his face saying he didnt hurt me the rules are bs

sadly bunch gracies have that mindset
 
yetanother said:
Keenan and Hinger where roasting henry akins as the lamest dude that teaches BJJ because he neither competes or even rolls with people at seminars.
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regardless henrys a damn damn legit coach u cannot take that from him you dont have to roll be a world beater as long as you arnt shit talkign claiming ud kick guys ass but refuse t fight him or train with him ect
 
People have this weird impression that Ben "reacted to the sight of a flying knee by shooting."

No. That's crazy. He was just going to shoot all along. He said it himself a million times. When the bell rang, he was going to run across the cage and grab Jorge. He didn't care what Jorge did. That's why he lost. He was predictable. Not because he responded to a flying knee attempt by shooting. That's like saying someone responded to a shot by falling backwards. This stupid "he saw the knee coming and instinctively he tried to shoot." Sorry, Jorge Masvidal is not Jeff Henderson, he didn't jump from 20 meters away and he wasn't in the air for that long. Ben was already committed to the shot by the time he would have registered that it was a flying knee.

Brilliant strategy by Masvidal, tremendous arrogance by Ben, after doing the same exact thing against Robbie. Not even trying to disguise his takedowns, but simply running across and shooting. There is no move in all of fighting that cannot be stopped or countered. I love Ben. But he was arrogant. And in his arrogance, he was careless. When you are careless, you do stupid things. And it doesn't matter what skills you have if you fight stupid. If he comes back, I hope he comes back with a good measure of humility. A little humility goes a long way in fighting carelessness.
 
CorninginChristianburg said:
People have this weird impression that Ben "reacted to the sight of a flying knee by shooting."

No. That's crazy. He was just going to shoot all along. He said it himself a million times. When the bell rang, he was going to run across the cage and grab Jorge. He didn't care what Jorge did. That's why he lost. He was predictable. Not because he responded to a flying knee attempt by shooting. That's like saying someone responded to a shot by falling backwards. This stupid "he saw the knee coming and instinctively he tried to shoot." Sorry, Jorge Masvidal is not Jeff Henderson, he didn't jump from 20 meters away and he wasn't in the air for that long. Ben was already committed to the shot by the time he would have registered that it was a flying knee.

Brilliant strategy by Masvidal, tremendous arrogance by Ben, after doing the same exact thing against Robbie. Not even trying to disguise his takedowns, but simply running across and shooting. There is no move in all of fighting that cannot be stopped or countered. I love Ben. But he was arrogant. And in his arrogance, he was careless. When you are careless, you do stupid things. And it doesn't matter what skills you have if you fight stupid. If he comes back, I hope he comes back with a good measure of humility. A little humility goes a long way in fighting carelessness.
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but without that flying knee how else could jorge have stopped ben jorge isnt big fr 170 doesnt have the tdd t stop ben no power n his hands t put him away with 1 shot ben was able t get rob down who has much better tdd and is a much harder puncher jorge prob knew he had t be ballsy t try to get a ko he knew ben would grapple him t death the fact he did that flying knee proves it cause if it didnt work then ben would have him on his back
 
flikerstance said:
regardless henrys a damn damn legit coach u cannot take that from him you dont have to roll be a world beater as long as you arnt shit talkign claiming ud kick guys ass but refuse t fight him or train with him ect
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Did you train with him? The stuff of his I saw online he was showing rather dated jiu jitsu.
He seemed to know details to make old school moves a bit better but it stills ignore the last decades of improvements to the fundamentals you get from modern guys like Roger Gracie or say the Mendes Bros. Kind of learning MMA takedowns from Royce Gracie vs GSP or Askren.
 
flikerstance said:
but without that flying knee how else could jorge have stopped ben jorge isnt big fr 170 doesnt have the tdd t stop ben no power n his hands t put him away with 1 shot ben was able t get rob down who has much better tdd and is a much harder puncher jorge prob knew he had t be ballsy t try to get a ko he knew ben would grapple him t death the fact he did that flying knee proves it cause if it didnt work then ben would have him on his back
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Nothing in my post seems to contradict anything in your post...
 
yetanother said:
Did you train with him? The stuff of his I saw online he was showing rather dated jiu jitsu.
He seemed to know details to make old school moves a bit better but it stills ignore the last decades of improvements to the fundamentals you get from modern guys like Roger Gracie or say the Mendes Bros. Kind of learning MMA takedowns from Royce Gracie vs GSP or Askren.
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no i havent trained with him but you dont have to berinbolo and play all these new guards doing leg drags ect to be a top bjj coach

tbh i like to see how guys mod fundamentals to make them work at highest levels as they are faster techniques easier to get to and def work better for real fighting i think certain people just dont notice what they call the "invisible" details guys show that really help a move work that much better
 
flikerstance said:
no i havent trained with him but you dont have to berinbolo and play all these new guards doing leg drags ect to be a top bjj coach

tbh i like to see how guys mod fundamentals to make them work at highest levels as they are faster techniques easier to get to and def work better for real fighting i think certain people just dont notice what they call the "invisible" details guys show that really help a move work that much better
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I didnt mean he doesn't do berimbolos or worm guard. The way he does knee slide passes etc. seems very old school in a bad way. The common simple bread and butter moves have evolved to make them work at the highest levels. I feel he is showing some old tricks from Rickson that made old moves work better on scrubs while real high level coaches are showing you modern versions honed in high stakes wars with highly trained roided out killer. He seems like the kind of guy who would show you invisible details behind the Gracie kick.
 
yetanother said:
I didnt mean he doesn't do berimbolos or worm guard. The way he does knee slide passes etc. seems very old school in a bad way. The common simple bread and butter moves have evolved to make them work at the highest levels. I feel he is showing some old tricks from Rickson that made old moves work better on scrubs while real high level coaches are showing you modern versions honed in high stakes wars with highly trained roided out killer. He seems like the kind of guy who would show you invisible details behind the Gracie kick.
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yeah i agree old school guys cant pass guard very well i like more of ways of doing subs controlling mount ect these are dead arts that newer coaches who started after 2007 dont have i feel i like to see the tiny details on top positioning henry has a very good mount and back game which is to be expected as hes under rickson

you see coahes after 2007 were all watching marcelo ect and trying to use their new techs brought to the table

guys from 90s early 2000s didnt have vids t go watch so they were basically taught very fundamental jiu jitsu from the gracies guys didnt try to learn competition new age tecs till the itnernet got bigger and mma exploded which then more tourneys started to happen ect
 
flikerstance said:
yeah i agree old school guys cant pass guard very well i like more of ways of doing subs controlling mount ect these are dead arts that newer coaches who started after 2007 dont have i feel i like to see the tiny details on top positioning henry has a very good mount and back game which is to be expected as hes under rickson

you see coahes after 2007 were all watching marcelo ect and trying to use their new techs brought to the table

guys from 90s early 2000s didnt have vids t go watch so they were basically taught very fundamental jiu jitsu from the gracies guys didnt try to learn competition new age tecs till the itnernet got bigger and mma exploded which then more tourneys started to happen ect
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- mount control from a retro guy.
I agree that the mount is a bit out of favor with the back control taking over. Roger is super good to learn from if you like old school things as he has does a lot them in a modernized manner.
 
CorninginChristianburg said:
People have this weird impression that Ben "reacted to the sight of a flying knee by shooting."

No. That's crazy. He was just going to shoot all along. He said it himself a million times. When the bell rang, he was going to run across the cage and grab Jorge. He didn't care what Jorge did. That's why he lost. He was predictable. Not because he responded to a flying knee attempt by shooting. That's like saying someone responded to a shot by falling backwards. This stupid "he saw the knee coming and instinctively he tried to shoot." Sorry, Jorge Masvidal is not Jeff Henderson, he didn't jump from 20 meters away and he wasn't in the air for that long. Ben was already committed to the shot by the time he would have registered that it was a flying knee.

Brilliant strategy by Masvidal, tremendous arrogance by Ben, after doing the same exact thing against Robbie. Not even trying to disguise his takedowns, but simply running across and shooting. There is no move in all of fighting that cannot be stopped or countered. I love Ben. But he was arrogant. And in his arrogance, he was careless. When you are careless, you do stupid things. And it doesn't matter what skills you have if you fight stupid. If he comes back, I hope he comes back with a good measure of humility. A little humility goes a long way in fighting carelessness.
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UFC twitter or some social media had Masvidal practicing the flying knee kick where he runs and kicks at a pad someone holds up for him. So it wasn’t luck but premeditated. He was going to run up to him and knee him as quickly as possible.
dimmyfinster said:
No offense to you spider guard a, but Henry Akins should STFU with his Rickson self promotion. Rickson's MMA knowledge is from s different era, and his MMA achievements are not in Askren league.
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Henry Akins is self promoting when I read his comments but maybe he does have a point. Rickson is like Helio, very risk averse. Ralph Gracie was knocked out by Gomi with a flying knee or knee to the head. Renzo shot from way out and Henderson said he was able to throw a hook to the head as he sprawled. In filmed seminars, Rickson showed vale tudo techniques and not surprising is one where you do a Muay Thai head clinch and bring the head down for a knee and Rickson shows a crossed arm defense. I think he does it with Royler in a demonstration. I agree Rickson is outdated but why does Fedor focus on upper body clinch take downs so much?
Marcelo Garcia was kneed in the head. I forgot which Machado brother was also kneed in the head like Marcelo and fight stoppage due to the cut.
 
yetanother said:
Keenan and Hinger where roasting henry akins as the lamest dude that teaches BJJ because he neither competes or even rolls with people at seminars.
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I saw footage where Renzo did a seminar and rolled with all sorts of people including a bigger brown belt. I would be disappointed if I couldn’t roll with him or at least roll with some people to demonstrate how his game that he teaches is executed by him. It’s disapointing Rickson teaches the same connection stuff in his seminars. I really think he has some solid insights about grappling and I don’t think less of him like I wouldn’t think less of a boxer like Joe Louis when he fought at an older age. Wasn’t Akins the jiujitsu trainer for Rhonda Rousey?
 
yetanother said:
Did you train with him? The stuff of his I saw online he was showing rather dated jiu jitsu.
He seemed to know details to make old school moves a bit better but it stills ignore the last decades of improvements to the fundamentals you get from modern guys like Roger Gracie or say the Mendes Bros. Kind of learning MMA takedowns from Royce Gracie vs GSP or Askren.
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Now to play Devil’s advocate Roger isn’t a great MMA fighter. Mendes brothers are the poster boys for sports bjj with berimbolos and 50/50. Well, 50/50 was started by Ryan Hall I thought. Roger is the antithesis of fancy jiujitsu. But seeing one of the Mendes brothers roll and not have his guard passed in no gi against Galvao was crazy. Galvao was submitted with the triangle.
 
yetanother said:
- mount control from a retro guy.
I agree that the mount is a bit out of favor with the back control taking over. Roger is super good to learn from if you like old school things as he has does a lot them in a modernized manner.
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yeah but sadly most of his stuff from mount is geared towards the gi as the cross choke is his number 1 attack from the mount and mount becomes a lot scarier with that and a armlock coming
 
spiderguarda said:
I saw footage where Renzo did a seminar and rolled with all sorts of people including a bigger brown belt. I would be disappointed if I couldn’t roll with him or at least roll with some people to demonstrate how his game that he teaches is executed by him. It’s disapointing Rickson teaches the same connection stuff in his seminars. I really think he has some solid insights about grappling and I don’t think less of him like I wouldn’t think less of a boxer like Joe Louis when he fought at an older age. Wasn’t Akins the jiujitsu trainer for Rhonda Rousey?
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Akins was Rondas Rousey boyfriend.
 
flikerstance said:
yeah but sadly most of his stuff from mount is geared towards the gi as the cross choke is his number 1 attack from the mount and mount becomes a lot scarier with that and a armlock coming
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Roger showed an no-gi arm triangle from there on his site, but that is all. No-gi mount doesn't seem a big focus for a lot of people. Roger helped himself a lot in MMA by hitting dudes when on top. An elbow to the the eye opens up transitions and subs a lot.
In terms of paywalled contents some Caios stuff from mount is cool for no-gi. The controls he uses like most of his stuff are a bit tricky.
 
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spiderguarda said:
Now to play Devil’s advocate Roger isn’t a great MMA fighter. Mendes brothers are the poster boys for sports bjj with berimbolos and 50/50. Well, 50/50 was started by Ryan Hall I thought. Roger is the antithesis of fancy jiujitsu. But seeing one of the Mendes brothers roll and not have his guard passed in no gi against Galvao was crazy. Galvao was submitted with the triangle.
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50/50 was named by Ryan Hall.
Roger underachieved in MMA but he still would annihilate henry akins in any combat sport.
 
I think Ben did that because it was such a habit for him and for a lot of wrestlers. That is they duck down and shoot when someone bull rushes them to get a perceived easy takedown, which is the trap that Jorge was talking about

A better way is just simply moving laterally or the Rousey V Zingango fight would be a good example of dealing with a running flying knee attack. I think a teep or a side kick could definitely work
 
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