wow.................. ben...

[flikerstance]

dont you just hate when wrestlers duck their head that legit made me feel ill inside lol


he gave ben that takedown if ben was smart about it


most guys try to run away from ben and ben thrives when he catches you this time the guy ran right at him and ben paid for it tbh im surprised he was ballzy enough to try that t begin with

 

[Bamboozled]

Ben tried moving his head out of the way but Jorge did a great job adjusting to it.

 

[flikerstance]

Ben tried moving his head out of the way but Jorge did a great job adjusting to it.

whats funny is that tbh was the only shot he had of beating ben a fluke flying knee he wouldnt have been able t beat ben on the feat with hands if only the knee missed jorge would have gotten put down which is crazy dude actually tried something so risky he got lucky as all hell

 

[Thaijitsu612]

I don't think you can call that a fluke. Ben answers all offense bending at the waist looking for a tie up. Mas knew this and went to exploit it.

 

[beat...people...up?]

I wasn't sure I'd want to commit to watching this whole fight so I took a few days to get to it

 

[rmongler]

Moments like these are why i always like to say that one of the most valuable tools a grappler can add to their box to increase their takedown chances, is a good teep.

Now that might seem counter-intuitive, but what it gives you is a solid, strong, low risk, long range technique for controlling space (to stop dangerous flurries or rushes) and gathering information on how your opponent intends to (re)act to your own attacks. And the best way to counter-act teeps, by catching and sweeping, is something someone better practiced in grappling will be better at dealing with (and something someone looking to avoid grappling in the first place may well be cagey about).

 

[AllKnowing]

Moments like these are why i always like to say that one of the most valuable tools a grappler can add to their box to increase their takedown chances, is a good teep.

Now that might seem counter-intuitive, but what it gives you is a solid, strong, low risk, long range technique for controlling space (to stop dangerous flurries or rushes) and gathering information on how your opponent intends to (re)act to your own attacks. And the best way to counter-act teeps, by catching and sweeping, is something someone better practiced in grappling will be better at dealing with (and something someone looking to avoid grappling in the first place may well be cagey about).

Even a small bit of striking skills vastly improves their take down game. Askren's response to the flying knee was just waaaaay too predictable.

 

[flikerstance]

do you guys think ben comes back or hangs it up after thatko? h doesnt seem t really like mma tbh not event rying t become a better striker ect maybe he wants a revenge fight

i know that they planned this but i dont see jorge knockign ben out any other way who else could survive a full on sprint flying knee from across the cage lol

im just upset i didnt get to see ben in action i feel he ahs so muchmore to tach us about grappling in current mma so i hope h doesnt retire as most of the best grapplers are quitting soon in maia khaiplans t retire soon as well

 

[rmongler]

Askren's response to the flying knee was just waaaaay too predictable.

That's really the thing isn't it? Im sure i wasn't the only one who thought about Romero vs Weidman as well. Difference between that and this is that that came in the third round, after Romero had spent the previous two rounds gathering information, picking up on Weidman's predictable attack habit.

Whereas in this case, Masvidal predicted he would change levels right from the opening bell. And honestly, why not, just in case it works?

Before this fight a lot of people were drawing comparisons with the Maia fight. One thing you can say about Maia, he almost always manages to find a way to get in close; even in the fights he loses he'll still often get in multiple times a round without taking much punishment (it's actually doing anything once he's in close that tends to be his problem, due to a one note single leg attack and lack of clinchfighting capacity).

So both are the same in the sense that opponents of either will know that they both only really want to do one thing, yet one was predictable in a way that the other has not been; predictable in the sense of not what he is doing, but when he is doing it. Maia's measured and judicious use of feints to sus out what the opponent wants to do before making a commitment and deaden their reactions are a good wrinkle to take away.

 

[AllKnowing]

That's really the thing isn't it? Im sure i wasn't the only one who thought about Romero vs Weidman as well. Difference between that and this is that that came in the third round, after Romero had spent the previous two rounds gathering information, picking up on Weidman's predictable attack habit.

Whereas in this case, Masvidal predicted he would change levels right from the opening bell. And honestly, why not, just in case it works?

Before this fight a lot of people were drawing comparisons with the Maia fight. One thing you can say about Maia, he almost always manages to find a way to get in close; even in the fights he loses he'll still often get in multiple times a round without taking much punishment (it's actually doing anything once he's in close that tends to be his problem, due to a one note single leg attack and lack of clinchfighting capacity).

So both are the same in the sense that opponents of either will know that they both only really want to do one thing, yet one was predictable in a way that the other has not been; predictable in the sense of not what he is doing, but when he is doing it. Maia's measured and judicious use of feints to sus out what the opponent wants to do before making a commitment and deaden their reactions are a good wrinkle to take away.

Exactly, which is why despite knowing exactly what Maia wants to do, he does it with much more guile and finesse.

Also, there's a different level of danger in throwing a flying knee at someone like Maia than Askren. Against Askren, A top level fighter like Masvidal will worry most about being pinned down and smothered with minimal damage.

Maia's submission skills make that tactic a lot more risky.

 

[rmongler]

Exactly, which is why despite knowing exactly what Maia wants to do, he does it with much more guile and finesse.

Also, there's a different level of danger in throwing a flying knee at someone like Maia than Askren. Against Askren, A top level fighter like Masvidal will worry most about being pinned down and smothered with minimal damage.

Maia's submission skills make that tactic a lot more risky.

I'd say Askren is a lot more dangerous on top than Maia. He developed a lot since his fights on Bellator.

 

[spiderguarda]

Moments like these are why i always like to say that one of the most valuable tools a grappler can add to their box to increase their takedown chances, is a good teep.

Now that might seem counter-intuitive, but what it gives you is a solid, strong, low risk, long range technique for controlling space (to stop dangerous flurries or rushes) and gathering information on how your opponent intends to (re)act to your own attacks. And the best way to counter-act teeps, by catching and sweeping, is something someone better practiced in grappling will be better at dealing with (and something someone looking to avoid grappling in the first place may well be cagey about).

Someone had a YouTube breakdown on why Ryan Hall’s attempt at kicking and especially trying to kick his opponent’s head is not crazy as it appears. It Ryan gets a lucky head strike, he gets points for that and possible TKO. If he gets taken down, he expended no energy like a double leg or single leg to take down his opponent as his opponent has taken him down to the ground.

Henry Akins had a Post regarding this fight and noted that’s why Rickson Gracie always opted for an upper body clinch which is the favored GJJ takedown technique. I recall someone asked Rickson and his similar response was posted. But it seems Damien Maia is more willing to go for a double or single. There was a YouTube breakdown where one opponent realized Damien’s preference and kneed him while he tried for a takedown and had to quickly back out.

Fedor was great at clinching and I suppose it’s his Sambo background. I found it interesting where he would clinch and just throw his opponent to the ground but not follow him. Almost like a Muay Thai throwing their opponents to the ground.

 

[Xuh]

I think Askren got lazy fighting in the minor leagues (you always read about how he wasn't focused or didn't train too hard for some of those fights), plus he has his academy, family, dozens of other distractions, and is up there in age and made a lot of money already, it was OK to coast before but in the UFC if you are lazy and predictable the pro teams will scout you and blow your head off and that's sadly what happened, courtesy of ATT (the artists who also brought you hits such as Romero vs Weidman).

 

[flikerstance]

I'd say Askren is a lot more dangerous on top than Maia. He developed a lot since his fights on Bellator.

ohh much more maia has 1 path and doesnt use gnp at all ben has some good gnp look what he did to aoki of all people

he has so many ways to pin you vs maia trying to out technique to the back

 

[flikerstance]

I think Askren got lazy fighting in the minor leagues (you always read about how he wasn't focused or didn't train too hard for some of those fights), plus he has his academy, family, dozens of other distractions, and is up there in age and made a lot of money already, it was OK to coast before but in the UFC if you are lazy and predictable the pro teams will scout you and blow your head off and that's sadly what happened, courtesy of ATT (the artists who also brought you hits such as Romero vs Weidman).

dont think its necessarily that again i dont see him losing besides a flying knee thats legit a 1 in a million shot lol if ben was able to do what he did to robbie whos much more powerful and 4 times the tdd than imagine if he squared off with jorge if they ran it back 10 times id put money on ben everytime

 

[flikerstance]

That's really the thing isn't it? Im sure i wasn't the only one who thought about Romero vs Weidman as well. Difference between that and this is that that came in the third round, after Romero had spent the previous two rounds gathering information, picking up on Weidman's predictable attack habit.

Whereas in this case, Masvidal predicted he would change levels right from the opening bell. And honestly, why not, just in case it works?

Before this fight a lot of people were drawing comparisons with the Maia fight. One thing you can say about Maia, he almost always manages to find a way to get in close; even in the fights he loses he'll still often get in multiple times a round without taking much punishment (it's actually doing anything once he's in close that tends to be his problem, due to a one note single leg attack and lack of clinchfighting capacity).

So both are the same in the sense that opponents of either will know that they both only really want to do one thing, yet one was predictable in a way that the other has not been; predictable in the sense of not what he is doing, but when he is doing it. Maia's measured and judicious use of feints to sus out what the opponent wants to do before making a commitment and deaden their reactions are a good wrinkle to take away.

maybe ben will have a new strat next time out like khabib and his coaches said until he loses and someone beats him why change anything if its working? id like to think ben will but hes a very stiff guy and maybe isnt coordinated enough tbh if he could just learn a great jab to keep guys off and also use it to close the gap

most wrestlers only have a good right hand thats good in closing the gap but isnt as good with stopping forward pressure unless you are fast and have great timing and to do that cant be one of those wrassling looping gilbert like right hands which is why i think ben would be better off getting a good jab

 

[vcmmafan]

Reminded me of Chael on his last fight. Not disguising the takedown at all.

 

[flikerstance]

Someone had a YouTube breakdown on why Ryan Hall’s attempt at kicking and especially trying to kick his opponent’s head is not crazy as it appears. It Ryan gets a lucky head strike, he gets points for that and possible TKO. If he gets taken down, he expended no energy like a double leg or single leg to take down his opponent as his opponent has taken him down to the ground.

Henry Akins had a Post regarding this fight and noted that’s why Rickson Gracie always opted for an upper body clinch which is the favored GJJ takedown technique. I recall someone asked Rickson and his similar response was posted. But it seems Damien Maia is more willing to go for a double or single. There was a YouTube breakdown where one opponent realized Damien’s preference and kneed him while he tried for a takedown and had to quickly back out.

Fedor was great at clinching and I suppose it’s his Sambo background. I found it interesting where he would clinch and just throw his opponent to the ground but not follow him. Almost like a Muay Thai throwing their opponents to the ground.

bens such a goofy stiff guy i dont think he could develop a good headkick tbh he isnt your typical athlete some guys just arnt built for striking like all sports u either have it or ya dont

but yeah if ben could it would be great let them take u down and funk your way to victory but doubt theyd be as crazy as to try and take him down off it

other issue is shoots are faster and cover more distance if you are a td specialist i dont think you can have great success with just clinch takedowns only unless you are a good boxer to get yourself in i believe in having both which ben does ben has good takedowns from eevrywhere

 

[dimmyfinster]

Someone had a YouTube breakdown on why Ryan Hall’s attempt at kicking and especially trying to kick his opponent’s head is not crazy as it appears. It Ryan gets a lucky head strike, he gets points for that and possible TKO. If he gets taken down, he expended no energy like a double leg or single leg to take down his opponent as his opponent has taken him down to the ground.

Henry Akins had a Post regarding this fight and noted that’s why Rickson Gracie always opted for an upper body clinch which is the favored GJJ takedown technique. I recall someone asked Rickson and his similar response was posted. But it seems Damien Maia is more willing to go for a double or single. There was a YouTube breakdown where one opponent realized Damien’s preference and kneed him while he tried for a takedown and had to quickly back out.

Fedor was great at clinching and I suppose it’s his Sambo background. I found it interesting where he would clinch and just throw his opponent to the ground but not follow him. Almost like a Muay Thai throwing their opponents to the ground.

No offense to you spider guard a, but Henry Akins should STFU with his Rickson self promotion. Rickson's MMA knowledge is from s different era, and his MMA achievements are not in Askren league.

 

[yetanother]

No offense to you spider guard a, but Henry Akins should STFU with his Rickson self promotion. Rickson's MMA knowledge is from s different era, and his MMA achievements are not in Askren league.

Keenan and Hinger where roasting henry akins as the lamest dude that teaches BJJ because he neither competes or even rolls with people at seminars.