Would Jon Jones have still been champ even without using PEDs?

Would Jon Jones have still been champ even without PEDs?


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I’m not sure he could have even trained and won his first few fights without juice.
 
Yes, his reach, genetics, and skills would allow him to still be champion. IMO the juice didn't help him out as much as people like to think. If he hadn't lived that cocaine/steroid partyboy lifestyle, and kept up like he was when he first broke out, it's scary to imagine what he'd have became.
 
He was getting beat by Matt Riddle in high school wrestling before he went to college and got on his brothers' juice. He would be Neil Magny with eyepokes if not for PEDs.
 
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He would have beaten Shogun (who was suffering from injuries), but Machida probably beats Jones.

One thing to consider, is would he have even earned a title shot that quickly if he wasn't on peds? His ped aided dominance leading up to the title shot is what got him the shot in the first place.
 
Unfortunately, today, there is such a array of peds and cheats available, and so many have been caught, it's hard to really know or believe with certainty if anyone is clean.
 
Voted yes. Jones is the most talented fighter I have ever seen

Thing is though... doesn't matter if he would have or wouldn't have

That's all hypothetical, the fact is that he did cheat and we will never know for sure. Which taints his entire career

You and I and anyone else can think he could have but he never proved it and therefore his accomplishments will always have an Asterisk.
 
No.

According to Covington (his college roomate), he was abusing steroids back then. Might never have gotten his foot through the door of the MMA industry without PEDs.



I'm not saying I don't believe this is true

But I am saying I don't trust a word Colby covington has to say about anything
 
Probably not because all the fighters he faced would likely still be on them.
 
So essentially you don't believe it's true.

Nahh I think it could be. I believe Jon Jones doing steroids in college is definitely something that might have happened

I also believe that even if it wasn't true Colby would make up a story like this to get himself press attention
 
Nahh I think it could be. I believe Jon Jones doing steroids in college is definitely something that might have happened

I also believe that even if it wasn't true Colby would make up a story like this to get himself press attention
Only way to know for sure is to get a statement from the third man in the room: Joe Soto.
 
There is no way of knowing. He might have got his hands on the belt, but it's delusional to think that he would be the same dominant fighter without the juice.

Look at how, once USADA rolled in, some UFC guys literally went from elite, knocking fuckers out left and right, to bums who struggled to get a win. You know who I'm talking about.
 
He obviously has the talent and skills but in close fights like dc and gus,especially when dc is hitting him w uppercuts and it has no effect but it does on everyone else? Im sorry,even before i knew he was on peds i had to wonder about it then. These close fights is where the advantage saves him,and he knows it.
 
In the era of doping and cheating pre USADA, to think a man can naturally overcome all these beasts to become champ whilst being totally clean is naive, chances are he as well as most others have doped since high school, so in reality it's a pretty fair playing field.
 
I think so; that fight with Rua wasn't even close. Would his reign have lasted as long? Almost certainly not. I can't imagine the Gustafsson fight going to the judges, for example, if Jones were clean.
 
He struggled with Cormier, Vitor & Gus so i'm going to say, even if he was champ he wouldn't be looked at as the GOAT as he is now.
 
Salty poll

People really think that even if Jones was on PEDs that being without them would have balanced out that one-sided ass kicking he gave Shogun
LoL
 
I think the most telling thing is that Jon Jones obviously never thought he could be champ without it, because he chose to use it even after the first positive test, when he KNEW that USADA would be breathing down his neck.

He lost so much from that first test, and he STILL chose to risk using steroids to beat DC.

So if Jon Jones himself doesn't think he could do it without steroids, why should I? Why should anyone else?


Very well put. Hell he didn't even think he could win at HW even WITH Steroids. He's a liar, HW ducker, a cheat, a fraud, an eye gouger, a knee hyperextender and a PED user and steroid abuser.


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