Would Fedor's legacy have been hurt had his first post-Pride losses happened in the UFC instead of Strikeforce?

[HHJ]

The reason Jon's not getting KO'd by the Old Man Ryan Bader's of the world like Fedor was is because he understands you're supposed to evolve as you age and actually do something with all your experience.

Yeah you cant just take the same roids as before, you got to stay up to date on the latest shit.

 

[calavera2]

It's your funeral, pal

Even the guy who posted that on Reddit got deleted.

Beautiful escape from Hendo right to back control and then pure savagery....beautiful to watch.

 

[HHJ]

Beautiful escape from Hendo right to back control and then pure savagery....beautiful to watch.

Fedor is indeed a beautiful man

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

Probably but only because of Zuffa zombies. Younger fans can't comprehend a time that UFC wasn't the premier organization. Fedor's run was when PRIDE was the biggest promotion in the world with the best talent.

I just don't understand people expecting someone that had a full career come into a new promotion and start a new run. It would be like expecting Michael Jordan to take the Wizards to 6 title wins after doing it 6 times with the Bulls. Fedor could have easily retired after PRIDE and while he had some bad losses, he also had some good wins. To go 14-6 after PRIDE is impressive at HW. That's literally more fights and equal wins to Cain Velasquez's entire career.

 

[NoSmilez]

It depends who he fought. If he dropped a fight to Mir then I would be pretty sad. I think Bork beats Fedor though.

 

[markg171]

Probably but only because of Zuffa zombies. Younger fans can't comprehend a time that UFC wasn't the premier organization. Fedor's run was when PRIDE was the biggest promotion in the world with the best talent.

I just don't understand people expecting someone that had a full career come into a new promotion and start a new run. It would be like expecting Michael Jordan to take the Wizards to 6 title wins after doing it 6 times with the Bulls. Fedor could have easily retired after PRIDE and while he had some bad losses, he also had some good wins. To go 14-6 after PRIDE is impressive at HW. That's literally more fights and equal wins to Cain Velasquez's entire career.

If Fedor came over to the UFC and lost then how did Pride have the better talent?

Fucking hell man

 

[broc5k]

Having his first loss OUTSIDE of the UFC hurt his legacy more than losing IN the UFC would have, especially in hindsight. Casual fans today mainly see Strikeforce as just another B-league that couldn't compete with UFC (same with Bellator), whether that's factual or not. Had it happened in the UFC, the company that is now the dominant force in MMA, that would've softened the blow and made it seem like he lost to what the casual fan would say is the "elite" organization of fighters.

Ask people here and you'll likely get a different answer because of the actual history, especially to the cranky old bastards like myself I STILL wish he would've either gone to the UFC or retired completely, it was sad watching him after PRIDE died.

 

[HHJ]

If Fedor came over to the UFC

 

[whooty]

It's always hilarious how nobody ever mentions Werdum's own PED failures when it comes to Fedor's losses. It's almost like it's a rather selective excuse for you guys.

Anyways. Yes, it absolutely does matter that Fedor lost to guys like Werdum, Bigfoot, and Henderson instead of Randy, Brock, Mir, JDS, Cain, Carwin, Jones etc. who were by contrast the UFC's own champions or interims at that same time.

It's a hell of a lot worse to have lost to Strikeforce's random HW contenders and LHW champion instead of better fighters.

The entire reason you guys are "okay" with the losses is precisely because it wasn't against UFC champions or contenders so the UFC guys never "got one" over you.

He lost a couple fights after his prime, and after a streak which included UFC champions and fighters or fighters that would go on to do very well in the UFC, like Arlovski, Sylvia, Hunt, Coleman, Crocop, Big Nog.

Every winstreak ends. Just like Andersons'. Doesn't mean that Anderson is not one of the best ever. If Jon would lose to Aspinal, then take 5 more fights and lose those as well, that doesn't hurt his legacy either in my opinion.

By the way I place GSP above Fedor in the goat discussion. I just don't get the blind hate Fedor gets.

 

[cburm]

If instead of suffering his first post-Pride loss to Werdum in Strikeforce, it had happened in the UFC, would fans have used that to diminish his legacy as someone who couldn’t dominate outside of Japan in the premier MMA league? (Yes, Strikeforce’s heavyweight division at that time was arguably better than the UFC’s, but perception is everything.)

We see a similar effect on Cro Cop’s legacy due to his UFC losses.

Fedor was a few generations behind in strike force..

In pride he was prime young and faught the best of the best....

 

[markg171]

Fedor was a few generations behind in strike force..

In pride he was prime young and faught the best of the best....

He was still reigning.

Fuck off with this revisionist history.

 

[Epsteins Guard]

He was still reigning.

Fuck off with this revisionist history.

Yes, and also visibly slowing down.

 

[Felya]

Fedor slowing down was evident in the Arlovski and Brett Rogers fights. He was fatter and slower but still had good 1 punch power.

 

[markg171]

Yes, and also visibly slowing down.

Yeah and Randy Couture was a spring chicken eh

You guys are pathetic

 

[HHJ]

I hope you all are having a lovely Fedor-created New Year's eve

 

[snaportap21]

If instead of suffering his first post-Pride loss to Werdum in Strikeforce, it had happened in the UFC, would fans have used that to diminish his legacy as someone who couldn’t dominate outside of Japan in the premier MMA league? (Yes, Strikeforce’s heavyweight division at that time was arguably better than the UFC’s, but perception is everything.)

We see a similar effect on Cro Cop’s legacy due to his UFC losses.

Was his legacy really hurt with his losses in strikeforce? Most people would agree those fights were fedor outside of his prime. From a physical standpoint he looked weaker in strikeforce (let’s not go into why that may be). He’s still seen as an all time great and in a poll against gsp on sherdog half of the voters voted for him as the goat. If he lost in the ufc, not much would change imo.

 

[Epsteins Guard]

Yeah and Randy Couture was a spring chicken eh

You guys are pathetic

What? What does Randy Couture have to do with this conversation?

Are you just completely fucking braindead or do you have Tourettes?

Also, Randy Couture didn't even start fighting in MMA until he was 33.... so yeah, that's a fucking idiotic argument so I'm just going to assume you don't have a functioning brain.

 

[markg171]

What? What does Randy Couture have to do with this conversation?

Are you just completely fucking braindead or do you have Tourettes?

Also, Randy Couture didn't even start fighting in MMA until he was 33.... so yeah, that's a fucking idiotic argument so I'm just going to assume you don't have a functioning brain.

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Randy Couture was the guy Fedor should've been fighting, not Sylvia who Randy had already dominated and was the entire reason Sylvia was a "former" UFC Champion. That's why he was brought up for those saying Fedor was slowing down back then. Randy wasn't a young buck either.

Fucking lol though at bringing up Randy started MMA at 33 as some kind of own though. He was 45 in 2008 and still reigning. Math probably isn't your strong suit but that makes Randy:

- much older than Fedor
- having been fighting for much longer than Fedor

Like I said. You guys are pathetic in your excuses.

 

[markg171]

Was his legacy really hurt with his losses in strikeforce? Most people would agree those fights were fedor outside of his prime. From a physical standpoint he looked weaker in strikeforce (let’s not go into why that may be). He’s still seen as an all time great and in a poll against gsp on sherdog half of the voters voted for him as the goat. If he lost in the ufc, not much would change imo.

If Fedor lost to the UFC champion instead of random Strikeforce contenders of course his legacy goes down.

His entire claim to fame is being the undisputed HW. That goes away if he'd actually ever gone head to head with his UFC counterpart.

His fans cling to losing to random Strikeforce contenders BECAUSE it's "better to them" that he never actually lost to a reigning UFC champion instead.

 

[Epsteins Guard]

Randy Couture was the guy Fedor should've been fighting, not Sylvia who Randy had already dominated and was the entire reason Sylvia was a "former" UFC Champion. That's why he was brought up for those saying Fedor was slowing down back then. Randy wasn't a young buck either.

Fucking lol though at bringing up Randy started MMA at 33 as some kind of own though. He was 45 in 2008 and still reigning. Math probably isn't your strong suit but that makes Randy:

- much older than Fedor
- having been fighting for much longer than Fedor

Like I said. You guys are pathetic in your excuses.

You say that as if Fedor actually had the ability to fight Randy instead of Timmy. Apparently its Fedor's fault that Dana wouldn't let Randy fight Fedor. I guess he didn't have much faith in him to win.

Ah yes, fighters don't age or get injuries. That's why there's so many premier athletes in their 40's, 50's, and 60's. You're literally fucking retarded.