Would Fedor's legacy have been hurt had his first post-Pride losses happened in the UFC instead of Strikeforce?

wh4tttt said:
Vitor showed his dr his old photo and told to give him the update

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What do you know - a known weakness.
 
Blastbeat said:
Dan Henderson was not a small MW. He competed at LHW and won the Strikeforce LHW belt.
Purely misinformation.
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at that time he was an average MW sized
maybe even smaller

to answer ts question
as a fan people should question why he looked like a b fighter in a drug testing org (strikeforce)

maybe he would do well in the ufc because theres no drug testing going on at that time
 
markg171 said:
Dan Henderson literally needed rocks in his shorts to even make the 206lb HW minimum for his fight with Fedor.

Which was originally a catchweight 220lb fight until Hendo said "lol there's no way I can make 220lb and it has to be HW so I can even make 206lb" and Coker scrambled to make it a HW fight after Hendo exposed the size difference there.

Which caused Fedor to still do a gentleman's agreement and still actually cut from his usual 235 down to 222lbs once he realized the size difference at play.

Hendo is definitely a small fighter, get the fuck out of here. As guys like Rogan have said countless times though, when you put your arm around him for an interview his muscles are like rock hard wires however. He's small but dense, a tough and grizzled wiry motherfucker like men used to be.
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yes and fedor fanboys complain about a grandpa hendo using trt
while fedor in pride fought steroid abusers

they say fedor was the only clean fighter in pride
and it was ok even if fedor has a disadvantage in pride
lol talk about contradicting themselves

they dont wanna give credit to hendo a grandpa hendo
 
No, I have no doubt Fedor would’ve been competitive and won, but he also would have losses. In the end his losses would’ve been to ranked HW’s. I believe the worst thing he ever did was not sign with the UFC, wasn’t his fault really.
 
I think the orginal question omits what actually DID cement Fedor's Legacy... that after Pride, he beat and finished two recent UFC HW champs in Affliction. KOing Arlavski and mauling Sylvia is what proved that he was the THE BEST HW of that era. The Strikeforce stuff was after that.

So IF Fedor had never fought in Afflication AND went straight to the UFC AND lost, yes it would have diminished his legacy and been known only as the King of Pride (which in turn would have also been diminished).
 
HHJ said:
I wonder if it wasnt for Vitor, if they would have banned it lol
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He certainly was nice and juicy but I think main reason was they were eyeing a sell at that point. They hired USADA in 2015 and in 2016 they sold it to WME.
 
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Söze Aldo said:
If instead of suffering his first post-Pride loss to Werdum in Strikeforce, it had happened in the UFC, would fans have used that to diminish his legacy as someone who couldn’t dominate outside of Japan in the premier MMA league? (Yes, Strikeforce’s heavyweight division at that time was arguably better than the UFC’s, but perception is everything.)

We see a similar effect on Cro Cop’s legacy due to his UFC losses.
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Yes he would be diminished cuz UFC/Dana stans like to pretend Pride legends declined in a vacuum and ignore that the UFC legends from the same era declined too
 
markg171 said:
Fedro fans will say this as though the entire reason Werdum wasn't in the UFC was because JDS sent him to the shadow realm during his own run to the HW title.

No Strikeforce did not have the better HW division at the time. They had aged names and guys who would become names. They're no different than Bellator/PFL.
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Who were the UFC HW at the time?
 
Ibm said:
Yes. The UFC guys at the time were monsters. And Fedor got Ko'd by a small MW in strikeforce.
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And his UFC HW peer randy Couture got koed by small MW Machida.

What a silly take
 
Ibm said:
Not really. Yeah at the time he was a decent size MW, the dude is pretty small which is even more intriguing on how good he was. Just saying, Fedors size would be too problematic alone. The UFC guys were not just big they were very skilled.
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And fefor KOed the 3 best large HW ufc had to offer from that period. Mir, Tim. AA. Little doubt he would've done the same to Barnett and Randy
 
orca said:
at that time he was an average MW sized
maybe even smaller

to answer ts question
as a fan people should question why he looked like a b fighter in a drug testing org (strikeforce)

maybe he would do well in the ufc because theres no drug testing going on at that time
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you think he was average or even small? when i think of a small MW, i think of someone like Kevin Holland or Jack Hermansson. Hendo just doesnt seem like a small MW in my eyes.

also i think by the time Fedor got to Strikeforce, age and the many wars he had been in caught up to him. he was still able to get some good wins after his Strikeforce run but obviously he was never the same.
 
markg171 said:
Fedro fans will say this as though the entire reason Werdum wasn't in the UFC was because JDS sent him to the shadow realm during his own run to the HW title.

No Strikeforce did not have the better HW division at the time. They had aged names and guys who would become names. They're no different than Bellator/PFL.
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Did you not see the shape Werdum came into that fight?

He was unreasonably out of shape.
 
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Fan will believe whatever they want. Since the UFC is still around and has a larger fan base naturally fans will likely side with whatever the hell the UFC decides to run with. If Dana White said Lesnar had the biggest balls he's ever seen, fan would be lining up for Brocktober to give them a mouth full.

Werdum was already considered a top HW. Hendo went on TRT and started knocking people out left and right. Big foot knocked out Overeem and fought Cain for the title.
 
Söze Aldo said:
If instead of suffering his first post-Pride loss to Werdum in Strikeforce, it had happened in the UFC, would fans have used that to diminish his legacy as someone who couldn’t dominate outside of Japan in the premier MMA league? (Yes, Strikeforce’s heavyweight division at that time was arguably better than the UFC’s, but perception is everything.)

We see a similar effect on Cro Cop’s legacy due to his UFC losses.
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No. It's obviously far worse that he lost to cans outside of the UFC lmao
 
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