Would DC be a atg if Jones never got suspended

[pick999]

Atg?

 

[Deleted member 504083]

All that says is that he wants to be on even footing with DC. Again I ask, when did Jones ever have a weight ADVANTAGE?

Huh? Jones' optimal weight class is 205. DC's optimal weight is HW. Jones doesn't want even footing, he wants to fight a depleted version, while using steroids.

 

[Ladder Master]

May the best eye flicker win.

 

[blaseblase]

He brutalized Miocic while being out of prime in their first fight.

I think it's more than enough we need to know.

His only rival was Jon Jones.

He KO'd Miocic right after poking his eye, it's not really proof he's a better fighter

 

[Gamer2k4]

Huh? Jones' optimal weight class is 205. DC's optimal weight is HW. Jones doesn't want even footing, he wants to fight a depleted version, while using steroids.

You're still dancing around the question. As far as I know, DC was always heavier than Jones in the cage, and that "depleted version" was good enough to win the title and defend three times - not to mention win all seven of his LHW fights that weren't against Jones.

Heck, even the claim of DC's optimal weight being HW is suspect. In the UFC, he had far more success at LHW (and nearly twice as many wins) as he did at HW. And what would you even consider to be DC's best HW wins? Bigfoot was on his way out, going 3-11 after their fight. Mir went 3-6. Nelson went 5-10. The Stipe win is obviously suspect, and DC lost their next two fights. Maybe Josh Barnett? Back in 2012?

At the end of the day, DC would have outweighed Jones no matter where they fought, but Jones was perfectly reasonable in not wanting to fight at HW while he still had a LHW frame and body mass. That absolutely doesn't mean he somehow had a weight ADVANTAGE against DC when they fought at LHW, though.

 

[Yellowcrab]

He KO'd Miocic right after poking his eye, it's not really proof he's a better fighter

Evidence ? You don't have any.

 

[Yellowcrab]

May the best eye flicker win.

As i said bullshit GIFs from bad angles. There were several cameras, yet not a single Miocic's fanboy can bring a single clear picture of an eye poke like this one :

You can't bring such a clear and irrefutable evidence, because the evident doesn't exist.

Your so-called eye poke from another angle :

No wonder there's not a single picture and they didn't even bother to make the slow down from this angle, because it's mostly bullshit.

Not to mention that Miocic got time to recover immediately after that by the referee, SO IT'S IRRELEVANT.

Source :

An out of prime DC coming from the LHW division brutalized Miocic. End of the discussion.

 

[Yellowcrab]

The Stipe win is obviously suspect, and DC lost their next two fights.

So you already forgot me ? : https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...r-got-suspended.4294788/page-4#post-171289940

I'm still waiting...

Also, DC lost the next 2 fights after back surgery, being 40 and 41 years old and with one of the worst eye poke ever seen in the UFC in the last fight and without time to recover by the referee :

https://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/ufc/daniel-cormier-reveals-he-had-recent-back-surgery/

https://www.scmp.com/sport/martial-...7604/ufc-252-marc-goddard-sorry-missing-stipe

Yet Miocic had to give 2 wars to beat Cormier while being younger : what a performance...

 

[blaseblase]

Evidence ? You don't have any.

As in the fight? Apparently you haven't watched it.

 

[AmonTobin]

If DC had suspension and wheels for limbs he’d be an ATV.

 

[checktheknuckles]

Hence why you don't have a single evidence to back up your claim.

There were hundreds of cameras that night, so i'm asking for a very simple evidence such as this one :

But you don't have any evidence, because outside of bullshit GIFs from bad angles there's nothing.

Not to mention the referee gave him time to recover, so it's irrelevant anyway.

Cormier won fair and square, no matter how much you hate this fact.

Fortunately, Cormier got even older and Miocic finally beat him in 2 very competitive fights (not a brutal KO like the first one).

Also, since it happened in all 3 fights, why DC didn't win the 3 fights ? This is what happens : a biased point of view leads to nonsense.



Who cares ? Bisping lost his eye because of what then ?

Why do boxers need eye surgeries too ?

It's a lame and irrelevant argument : being punched in the face can lead to eye injuries. As simple as that.

DC literally poked his eye ball right before the punch that dropped him. Its always the punch you don't see coming that gets you.

 

[Yellowcrab]

As in the fight? Apparently you haven't watched it.

Ok so no evidence.

 

[Yellowcrab]

DC literally poked his eye ball right before the punch that dropped him. Its always the punch you don't see coming that gets you.

Evidence ?

 

[Chalky White]

Depends, people that only know how to analyze fighters by “title defenses” may feel otherwise. That’s a really stupid way to analyze the quality of a fighter, though.

You shouldn’t be penalized for fighting at the same time as the greatest MMA fighter of all-time, that’s just bad luck.

 

[Clark Rogers]

Let’s be for real. There is flat out nothing in Tito Ortiz’s arsenal that DC would struggle with or wasn’t superior at. Chuck hits hard but not only does DC hit hard he wrestles irrefutably better. The only chance Chuck stood is a puncher’s chance which if Rumble couldn’t capatalize NEITHER COULD CHUCK. The game evolved and many fighter from that era simply would not be elite today in their prime form. You should be happy for that. It is a natural fucking evolution that your fossilized ass seems to be in denial of. Of course if you would like to acknowledge record alone as your criteria have at it. Not understanding that DC was a far more evolved BETTER fighter than Tito lol man stop.

If we're being for real, your argument here is flawed. This argument is always flawed, everyone that makes it makes the same mistake.

You can't say this guy from X era wouldn't do good today "because the game has evolved." It doesn't work. If dude from era X fought today, he'd be part of said game evolution and evolving himself.

That's the main reason era comparisons are pointless. You can't just assume one variable changes but the other wouldn't.

 

[Fergelmince]

Evidence ?

cormier actually goes after Miocic KNOWING he just poked him in the eye, thinking he's got Miocic at an illegal disadvantage, lol. MIocic only takes about 10 or 20 seconds for recovery before cormier gets the cheating KO.

 

[snaportap21]

Show me that eye poke with a clear picture or you're wasting my time.

There were several cameras, so the evidence must exist.

Either you're speaking out of nothing or you can provide evidence.

go rewatch the fight buddy.

 

[Yellowcrab]

cormier actually goes after Miocic KNOWING he just poked him in the eye, thinking he's got Miocic at an illegal disadvantage, lol. MIocic only takes about 10 or 20 seconds for recovery before cormier gets the cheating KO.

You're biased so you need to lie : Miocic got well over 20 seconds to recover. He got over 30 seconds actually.

Not to mention that so-called eye poke is bullshit, hence why there's not a single picture of it on the Internet : he tried to eye poke Miocic but barely touched him at the end. They don't even give the proper slow down under the right angle because there's almost nothing.

After the fight being interrupted, you even see Miocic being the aggressor.

He got brutalized by an out of prime former LHW.

After this fight, we know that the probability of Miocic beating a younger Cormier is very low, especially during his Strikeforce period since he was used to the HW division.

 

[Yellowcrab]

go rewatch the fight buddy.

You have no evidence, so you keep making vague and useless claims

 

[snaportap21]

You have no evidence, so you keep making vague and useless claims

Are you purposefully being obtuse? Stipe got poked badly a minute before the finish. Stipe himself said he couldn’t see well for the rest of the match. We all know it’s the shots you can’t see that put you out. Stipe then went 9 more rounds taking those same punches. You sound ridiculous.