Would DC be a atg if Jones never got suspended

[markg171]

He's literally only anything at all because Jones got suspended.

• It let him leapfrog Bader, the actual #2 contender and who he himself was scheduled to fight, and replace Jones against Rumble.
• This literally only happened because Jones was suspended under the UFC's internal Athletic Code, not a commission regulation, meaning the UFC could reinstate Jones whenever and they saw Jones/DC/Rumble as the better selling fights than Jones/Bader 2 given how the first had gone
• Then after he defends the belt against a few non-Jones opponents, loses to Jones again but Jones again gets suspended
• Gets his belt back which gives him a justification to move back up to his real weight class for an instant title fight instead of having to beat any contenders. Wins but ultimately loses 2x to this guy, proving who was better

DC is the definition of a 2nd place guy who got to be anything by being in the right places at the right times. If they don't happen he's just another Chael, Poirier, etc. who was good but not great enough to be champ.

 

[Deleted member 504083]

Jones felt he needed steroids every time he fought DC. DC might've beaten Jones both times if Jones was clean.

Jones also stated that he would never fight DC at HW because it'd give him the weight advantage.

So in the end, Jones needed a PED advantage, and weight advantage to get the win over a DC in his late 30s

 

[markg171]

If we're asking about how things would have gone if Jon wasn't suspended we have to ask how things would have gone in Jon wasn't roiding. Far too many variables to know.

Jones was internally suspended under the UFC's own internal Athlete Code for unbecoming behaviour for getting arrested for fleeing the scene of a car crash.

Not by the commission for drugs. He'd passed all his tests by this point.

Let’s be for real. There is flat out nothing in Tito Ortiz’s arsenal that DC would struggle with or wasn’t superior at. Chuck hits hard but not only does DC hit hard he wrestles irrefutably better. The only chance Chuck stood is a puncher’s chance which if Rumble couldn’t capatalize NEITHER COULD CHUCK. The game evolved and many fighter from that era simply would not be elite today in their prime form. You should be happy for that. It is a natural fucking evolution that your fossilized ass seems to be in denial of. Of course if you would like to acknowledge record alone as your criteria have at it. Not understanding that DC was a far more evolved BETTER fighter than Tito lol man stop.

Chuck has way better TDD than Rumble did. He's also not dumb enough to come into the rematch bizarrely trying to wrestle DC instead of focusing on KOing him.

I would certainly be likely to favour DC over Chuck and think it probably goes similar to how Randy/Chuck I went, but wouldn't at all be surprised if it instead went like how Chuck/Randy II and III went.

 

[markg171]

Jones felt he needed steroids every time he fought DC. DC might've beaten Jones both times if Jones was clean.

Weird how he didn't fail any tests leading up to their fight at UFC 178 and UFC 182. Where he beat DC both times in their press conference brawl and official pro fight.

 

[Mind Mine]

So not only do you have DC as the 2nd best LHW ever you have Tito and Chuck as 3 and 4 and assumed I was speaking on their behalf?

Have you forgotten the glorious Machida era? Machida, Evans, Rampage, Shogun. Phil Davis was never finished. But you think I'm talking about Tito and Chuck? Really?

You are making it worse.

Machida would make for an interesting fight however I have DC. Maybe PRIME MOTIVATED Rampage is interesting but he was wildly inconsistent so I would have DC because God knows what Rampage shows up. Rashad meh good scrap. It’s possible he could scrape a decision. Would favor DC but not to the extent of Rashad Jones. My mans said Phil Davis BWAHAHAGAA

 

[HHJ]

Fan fiction

 

[ferrisjso]

Machida would make for an interesting fight however I have DC. Maybe PRIME MOTIVATED Rampage is interesting but he was wildly inconsistent so I would have DC because God knows what Rampage shows up. Rashad meh good scrap. It’s possible he could scrape a decision. Would favor DC but not to the extent of Rashad Jones. My mans said Phil Davis BWAHAHAGAA

Phil Davis is criminally underrated.

 

[Mind Mine]

Phil Davis is criminally underrated.

Phil Hands of dookay Davis literally did not have the striking offense for DC and his wrestling would be neutralized. He is underrated but styles make fights and if you analyze strengths and weaknesses that fight is off the meter for DC. More power better paws and better clinch

 

[Deleted member 504083]

Weird how he didn't fail any tests leading up to their fight at UFC 178 and UFC 182. Where he beat DC both times in their press conference brawl and official pro fight.

UFC 182
If they see a deviation in the T/E ratio of greater than 30 percent, there is something up. That’s a red flag,” Conte explained. “If you look at Daniel [Cormier’s] two ratios, they were .42 and .47; that’s about an eight percent deviation. If you look at the numbers for Jon Jones, his was basically an 80 percent deviation. His is suspicious and Daniel Cormier’s is not. It’s not just that he’s got very low [testosterone] levels, much lower than Daniel. Daniel’s are normal, his are extremely low.”

Cormier’s T/E ratios were 0.40:1 and 0.48:1, while his testosterone levels were 50 ng/mL and 70 ng/mL.

“These are highly suspicious for Jon Jones, in my opinion,” Conte said. “This is the reason that sophisticated anti-doping officials do target testing. So based on what we see here, my opinion is Jon Jones should be on a very short leash and should be random tested here until they sort out why he has these anomalies.”

NSAC head Bob Bennett also stated "There's no problem with Daniel"

So to conclude:

PED experts say that is normal for a guy in his late 30's and cutting weight.

PED expert Victor Conte: "Jon Jones' is suspicious and Daniel Cormier’s is not"

NSAC head Bob Bennett and his team also concluded "There's no problem with Daniel".

Knowing Jones has failed multiple times the moment USADA entered the UFC, you'd have to be the most naive person to believe he was clean here lol

 

[Paul E Gensinger]

On the flip side, DC would have been a Goat if there wasn't a Jones around at all because no one was able to beat him.
Not Reyes, Blacovich, Yuri, or Hill, or Glover. (Admittedly he was past his prime and ability to make LHW for most of those mentioned above).

 

[markg171]

So to conclude:

PED experts say that is normal for a guy in his late 30's and cutting weight.

PED expert Victor Conte: "Jon Jones' is suspicious and Daniel Cormier’s is not"

NSAC head Bob Bennett and his team also concluded "There's no problem with Daniel".

Knowing Jones has failed multiple times the moment USADA entered the UFC, you'd have to be the most naive person to believe he was clean here lol

You need to update your talking points because of his deviations Jones' samples were all then re-tested under carbon isotope testing and definitively proven to be natural when he passed every one.

If Jones could pass carbon isotope testing he'd never fail a test for the rest of his life. More over, his chemist would be deserving of a Nobel Prize for the greatest medical discovery ever to trick the body into naturally producing these substances at will or making the body accept exogenous substances as naturally occurring ones produced by itself. The implications would be astronomically better than just passing a drug test.

Let alone how stupid it is to look at T/E ratios in general instead of the numbers actually making up the ratio. Jones numbers were still oddly low yes, but DC's were much weirder as they were astronomically high. His T/E ratio was only "normal" because his epitestosterone levels were also astronomically high and not just his testosterone levels. Which is the easiest method of beating the T/E test by simply not being a retard who only increase their testosterone and not their epitestosterone too. A ratio is just a ratio. An idiot with an abbacus could balance it into passing the ratio test.

 

[Juice]

He poked Stipe in the fucking eye on purpose several times. It happened in all 3 fights. And he actually kod him after one of the pokes. Brutalized his eyes so bad he needed surgery.

Winning a belt like DC did and defending it once doesn’t qualify one as an ATG. Not in my mind anyway.

Save that lame exaggerated BS lie you are coming up with. It was an accidental eye poke only one time you liar.

And what about in the 3rd fight how Stipe cheated and poked DC in they eye with the most horrific eye poke in the history of MMA and still couldn't finish and visually impaired DC?

It seems it was more a fluke than anything. Without vicious eyepokes he would never win that fight anyway, as Miocic proved in the trilogy (with Cormier still trying the dirty eyepoke tactics, just to remember). I mean, DC was good, but not a monster like some people say.

Stop with the accidental eye poke excuse. Did you forget how Stipe also poked DC in the eye in their first fight? Same the lame excuses and deal with the facts.

Just completely ignore how Stipe cheated in the 3rd fight and eye poked DC with the most viscous eye poke in the history of MMA and still couldn't finish a visual impaired DC.

Did you forget in their second fight how DC completely dominated Stipe in the first 3 rounds? I give credit for Stipe making adjustments in the 4th round but for you to claim DC only won because of an accidental eye poke is some stupid BS.

Stipe just got completely dominated in the first fight even though they both poked eye other in the eye. Just deal with the truth.

 

[Gamer2k4]

Show me a single picture of an eye poke from DC, or it's irrelevant.

There were hundreds of cameras that night, so obviously you have several pictures of eye pokes from Comier.

I mean he did many eye pokes, so obviously the pictures are all over the Internet.

I'm waiting

You're really doing this again? Aren't you the guy I shut down by actually providing pictures and video evidence of DC poking Stipe? Have you just decided that doesn't matter?

 

[Gamer2k4]

Jones felt he needed steroids every time he fought DC. DC might've beaten Jones both times if Jones was clean.

Jones also stated that he would never fight DC at HW because it'd give him the weight advantage.

So in the end, Jones needed a PED advantage, and weight advantage to get the win over a DC in his late 30s

Jones never had a weight advantage over DC. What are you talking about?

 

[WowNasty]

Why not? Look at the fighters in the UFC HOF. Look at the fighters that are called ATG's or 'legends of the sport'. UFC standards are garbage, so why wouldn't be considered one?

 

[Deleted member 504083]

Jones never had a weight advantage over DC. What are you talking about?

Jones on fighting DC at HW in 2019:

“I’m a realist,” Jones said. “Daniel Cormier is a special athlete and anyone can be beat. I think my greatest chance of losing would be to a guy like Daniel Cormier. We’d be giving him a power and strength advantage over me; it just doesn’t make sense.

“Right now, I make light heavyweight very easily, and it would just make no sense to fight a guy who, I think, technically (is) on your level and to give him a size advantage. I’m not doing it. I’m sure my fans don’t like to hear me talk like that, but that’s just me being a realist – and being respectful of Daniel’s abilities.”

 

[blaccbeard]

DC only lost to 2 people his entire career, one person at HW to the HW GOAT, and one person at LHW to the GOAT of MMA.

Technically he went undefeated at HW for over 10 years.

The only man to beat and finish Rumble Johnson as he was undefeated at LHW and HW for almost 10 years destroying everyone in his path.

DC won both the LHW and HW titles at the same time and defended them both. No one else has ever done that. This fact alone makes him GOAT status.

He's top 5 all time no matter what forum dwelling whiny ass haters think of his commentary or MMA hot takes.

 

[r-harper-1]

No. His whole championship career is because Jones had a car accident. Otherwise he was not getting a rematch with Jones at LHW and wasn't fighting for the HW belt. He was done.

We have some clowns who consider DC the 2nd best LHW of all time despite barely having a resume at LHW. Their reasoning? "DC would have beaten everyone if not for Jones". There is absolutley no proof of that.

Gus fight doesn’t make me think DC runs over everyone

 

[r-harper-1]

Jones on fighting DC at HW in 2019:

“I’m a realist,” Jones said. “Daniel Cormier is a special athlete and anyone can be beat. I think my greatest chance of losing would be to a guy like Daniel Cormier. We’d be giving him a power and strength advantage over me; it just doesn’t make sense.

“Right now, I make light heavyweight very easily, and it would just make no sense to fight a guy who, I think, technically (is) on your level and to give him a size advantage. I’m not doing it. I’m sure my fans don’t like to hear me talk like that, but that’s just me being a realist – and being respectful of Daniel’s abilities.”

Jones already manhandled heavyweight dc at a press conference…..Jones being humble

 

[r-harper-1]

DC only lost to 2 people his entire career, one person at HW to the HW GOAT, and one person at LHW to the GOAT of MMA.

Technically he went undefeated at HW for over 10 years.

The only man to beat and finish Rumble Johnson as he was undefeated at LHW and HW for almost 10 years destroying everyone in his path.

DC won both the LHW and HW titles at the same time and defended them both. No one else has ever done that. This fact alone makes him GOAT status.

He's top 5 all time no matter what forum dwelling whiny ass haters think of his commentary or MMA hot takes.

Top 5 ever ? Dc mother wouldn’t rate him that high lol