Crime Woman in Minneapolis Executed by ICE Officers; White House Reflexively Hand Waves Murder

[b34stmode]

Part of the issue is the deliberate utilization of language to make things sound more or less serious to fit whatever agenda a person has.
When someone says they were "hit" by a car, what that looks like generally has a pretty clear image in most people's minds. It sure as shit isn't what was in that video. I wouldn't need multiple video angles to know if someone actually got hit by a car that was trying to run them over.
Couple that with people calling her a terrorist, and acting like she was intentionally driving at him to kill him and it makes this whole argument dishonest bullshit.

Did the vehicle and man make some sort of physical contact? Yes. But how we define that contact dramatically changes the conversation.
People can debate on what the most appropriate verb was, but it wasn't "hit".
"The car grazed/tapped/brushed against the man as it turned in the opposite direction before the masked thug put a bullet in the woman's face" doesn't sound as sexy of a headline for ICE though.

Keep in mind the President of the United States AND the Vice President of the United States are calling her a domestic terrorist that tried to run him over.

 

[b34stmode]

Of course he wasnt... untill the car goes forwards.

The car doesn't go forward, she completely rotates the wheels to the right.

do you think she saw the agent with the cellphone who murdered her? What if she never even saw him? His cellphone footage would clear this up. And we would know if he knew she even looked at him or not.

what if the video shows that she never even saw him?

 

[Stoic1]

What do you think buddy? Honest question.

50/50

You seem like a snitch.

 

[fortheo]

I'm pretty sure an LEO can shoot a person if they are driving their car in such as way as to endanger the officer's life or others.

As was discussed up-thread: a shoplifter tried to drive away when a cop was in front of her car. He shot her and claimed self-defence. He was charged, but the jury acquitted him.

Only if other options such as getting out of the way of the car do not exist. Not only did that option exist, he actually did it and still continued to shoot. Not only that, but again, he manufactured the situation when he went against training and stepped around the side of the car, then went around and put himself in front of the car. He did that while she was talking to the other officer on the opposite side at her driver side door. He did this after the woman announced that she was pulling out, too.

We'll see what happens. It's a shit show. Last I checked fbi was refusing to even co-operate with state level investigation on this case. What a joke.

 

[johnsmithjohnson]

that doesn't justify killing her. she obviously wasn't there for violence.

Dude it's sunken cost with them. He and knights Templar thinks I reported stoic on no proof because someone who agreed with his ideology accused . (I didn't).
Probably could get a mod to tell them I didn't but even then if it's a mod like sinister theyll say I have a sock puppet.
Bringing up the Epstein files to show the current administration isn't a valid source for information pissed them off and they didn't see the connection.
They weren't told about the doctor on site trying to see her and they kept blocking her and saying I don't care. They are probably just now hearing about Iran which I even talked about 4 days ago going haywire. I'm saying that to show how far behind the curve they are. There's going to be way more stuff coming out on this. If I am shown information that could change my mind, I will change my mind. I don't see them doing that. It's double down, then troll or fire off passive aggressive questions to hide ignorance

 

[Limbo Pete]

I don't even know what argument you want to have here, but its obviously nothing to do with the incident. So have fun with repeating "No, you are" over and over.

There was no "stupidest of games". At best it was a minor impeding of traffic. But you've gotta use over the top language (while complaining about over the top language) in order to get a both sides going.

 

[johnsmithjohnson]

50/50

You seem like a snitch.

Homie. I can see your original accusation. You can't say 50/50 now.
Apologize or shut up about it. Act like a man goddamn dude.

 

[Anewt]

he was "bumped" because he needed to be in position to shoot her.

and yes, absolutely you dramatically act if you believe you are in imminent danger of death.

it wasn't excessive to him, because his goal was to kill her and make sure she couldn't flee, not to protect himself.

Yeah. You dramatically react .... and sometimes poorly...... like getting out of the road as soon as the car began to accelerate and unshooting and killing the lady.

Yup. You clearly know his motives. His state of mind . His thoughts and intentions . His reactions. His intentions .. the lot. 100%. No if buts or maybes. Hell people are crazy if they cant see it.


this was the entire point of my earlier post btw. The videos are irrelevant. You already know it all. Down to bis exact thoughts evidently.

 

[Bob Gray]

There was no "stupidest of games". At best it was a minor impeding of traffic. But you've gotta use over the top language (while complaining about over the top language) in order to get a both sides going.

Yeah, that one sentence out of my post was the entirety of my position. Good point.

Lol at "over the top language to get both sides going" from the guy calling this a murder.

 

[kflo]

I know what hes referring to, but I dont think hes arguing that she did not behave stupidly and did not pay a giant price for it , which is what youd have to be arguing in order to point that one sentence out.

I dont think its hyperbole because I think she did make stupid decisions and did pay a dramatic price for it. As opposed to saying she tried to murder someone, whch she didnt. Or saying the officer is some sort of jack booted nazi murderer, which he is not.

If neither you nor Pete can understand the difference between these two things, then have a good day because I'm too Danny Glover in Lethal Weapon for this shit.

She’s dead because the ice officer drew his weapon, stood in front of her car, and fired into it at point blank range while she drove past him. After other ice officers tried to get into her car.

 

[DoctorTaco]

this post was clearly written by someone completely unfamiliar with the effects of adrenaline after a life or death situation;

You might as well put this as your sig to give people fair warning you loaf of bread.

The officer was dragged 300 feet last June so he could have had flashbacks.

Cool. Not an excuse for his actions.

So, perhaps anti-ICE activists should probably assume any ICE officer could have PTSD and are trigger-happy,

We are hiring trigger happy ptsd cases? Seems like a problem.

so comply with their orders and don't give them the excuse to shoot you.

Batman couldn’t beat this level of boot licking out of me and here you are just saying it on your own.

 

[Stoic1]

Homie. I can see your original accusation. You can't say 50/50 now.
Apologize or shut up about it. Act like a man goddamn dude.

I didn't make an accusation.

I asked a question. Which you didn't answer....Homie.

I think it's still 50/50 on reporting me. It seems like TDS has affected your brain.

 

[IanMoone]

Only if other options such as getting out of the way of the car do not exist. Not only did that option exist, he actually did it and still continued to shoot. Not only that, but again, he manufactured the situation when he went against training and stepped around the side of the car, then went around and put himself in front of the car. He did that while she was talking to the other officer on the opposite side at her driver side door. He did this after the woman announced that she was pulling out, too.

We'll see what happens. It's a shit show. Last I checked fbi was refusing to even co-operate with state level investigation on this case. What a joke.

Not surprised. The state is compromised.

 

[Anewt]

The car doesn't go forward, she completely rotates the wheels to the right.

do you think she saw the agent with the cellphone who murdered her? What if she never even saw him? His cellphone footage would clear this up. And we would know if he knew she even looked at him or not.

No idea honestly. i always look where im driving so i find it hard to imagine not looking. Especially if i want to getaway quick.

what if the video shows that she never even saw him?

would mean she had no intent. Which is something i never claimed she did as im no mind reader like most sherdoggers apparently

 

[Limbo Pete]

You might as well put this as your sig to give people fair warning you loaf of bread.

Fuck sake amigo if someone called me a "loaf of bread" i'd hang it up for the day lmao
Actual belly laugh

 

[IanMoone]

Of course they are, who else would it be? They pivot from topic, to topic, to topic but the end game is always the same - destroy the west.

Exactly. The same bad actors coming into the light again and again.

Is execution for treason still a thing there?

 

[RockyLockridge]

Not surprised. The state is compromised.

and the polarized population will allow it. not because it's right, but just to spite the other side.

 

[kflo]

Yeah. You dramatically react .... and sometimes poorly...... like getting out of the road as soon as the car began to accelerate and unshooting and killing the lady.

Yup. You clearly know his motives. His state of mind . His thoughts and intentions . His reactions. His intentions .. the lot. 100%. No if buts or maybes. Hell people are crazy if they cant see it.


this was the entire point of my earlier post btw. The videos are irrelevant. You already know it all. Down to bis exact thoughts evidently.

i don't come into this with a rooting interest. i loath most protesters.

the videos are NOT irrelevant. they actually tell the story, if you're willing to read it.

i know what fear of imminent death looks like. i don't think YOU are open to really exploring that.

we KNOW his intent was to kill her, as he kept firing as she drove past him.

it's amazing that none of his training came in to play for any of his actions, EXCEPT the shoot to kill. that part he nailed.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Maybe it’s time to start praying to different gods. The current ones are out to lunch.

This would never happen under the watchful eye of the JBG.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Yeah, that one sentence out of my post was the entirety of my position. Good point.

Lol at "over the top language to get both sides going" from the guy calling this a murder.

Attention, everyone! Bob would prefer if we didn't use the "M" word. Let's try "intentional non-defensive shooting death".