Crime Woman in Minneapolis Executed by ICE Officers; White House Reflexively Hand Waves Murder

I would avoid protesting these days, is not safe .
Which is precisely why protesting is all the more important. As much as I despise Edmund Burke, his proclamation that all that is required for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing still rings true centuries later, and it always will.
 
It seems they had no right to even stop her let alone shoot her in the face multiple times



ICE sees its mission as encompassing both public safety and national security. However, its powers are different than the average local police department in the US.

Its agents have the power to stop, detain and arrest people they suspect of being in the US illegally. But critically, they do not have the power to arrest US citizens except in limited circumstances, such as if a person interferes with an arrest or assaults an officer.

 
Even law enforcement cannot pull you out of the car unlawfully
Pretty sure that would have been a lawful order.
And lol at calling them agents , they are untrained idiots that signed up bc they like being tyrants ,
How lucky are we to have someone in this thread that absolutely has the resume and training record of this agent.... WOW!!!
all Ice members should see prison time if possible after Trump leaves ,
You already know that'll never happen
this was clearly an execution.
That's clearly your opinion.
 
Too high a risk. Due to "Supremacy clause" if the judge felt the actions were within the scope of the federal government's to charge, the judge can dismiss the case at the state level before it ever gets to a trial.

If they don't have enough evidence to prove to the judge that the officer was acting outside his scope as a federal officer, even if he was acting against federal engagement rules, the case could be dismissed to be handled at only the federal level where they've already made it clear they won't be bringing charges.

Starting the legal process without the full battery of evidence would be like starting a swim race while handcuffed. They need the full evidence to convince a judge this is a state crime even if it involved a federal agent.
I think they will file manslaughter charges but it will take longer if the Federal government does not cooperate. I wouldn't expect charges any time soon.

They almost certainly have their own investigation ongoing. But now they have to work with the evidence they can get their hands on. They have to interview any members of the public that witnessed the event. Collect all video that exists of the incident. The biggest challenge will be identifying the ICE agents involved, issuing an arrest warrant for them once evidence is collected, and then actually getting them back into the State to process.

As for immunity, Barnes v. Felix (2025) breaks Neagle wide open in theory. Neagle "supremacy clause" no longer works the same way that it did before. Neagle basically requires Federal agents be "In the scope of their authority" and that officer actions were "necessary and proper". Barnes changes this calculus. Before, "chronological blinders" were used, only considering the moment of threat, such as when a suspect vehicle pulls away. Now, Barnes requires Federal Judges to consider the entire stop: Did ICE have authority to detain the suspect? Was there a 4th amendment violation? Was de-escalation attempted at all possible junctures? Could the moment of threat have been avoided by backing down?

I would expect this to be a test case for Barnes vs Neagle, and that Trump opponents will rally around Minnesota in the long run to have manslaughter charges filed. But I do think it will take a long time.
 
The mental gymnastics you are doing to justify state-sanctioned murder is almost impressive. I sincerely hope you are getting paid for this.

You people are the ones doing the mental gymnastics (and not being honest) pretending she didn't hit him with the car. We literally have slowed down video of her hitting him with the car.

Keep in mind, I have stated more than once the agent fucked up and went completely over the top. I also think Kristi Noem labeling this as "domestic terrorism" is also completely ridiculous.

But all you people are acting like the women did nothing wrong or made zero mistakes. Doesn't deserve to get shot, but she was in the wrong too.

LMFAO its irrelevant?

Then what were the ICE agents trying to detain her for?

I'm on cell at work and dont have auto correct on, deal with it.

Apparently for following and harassing them all day with a coordinated group of people.
 
It seems they had no right to even stop her let alone shoot her in the face multiple times



ICE sees its mission as encompassing both public safety and national security. However, its powers are different than the average local police department in the US.

Its agents have the power to stop, detain and arrest people they suspect of being in the US illegally. But critically, they do not have the power to arrest US citizens except in limited circumstances, such as if a person interferes with an arrest or assaults an officer.


They are literal rental bops. I have treated officers fairly and respectfully my entire life, even when I haven't received it back from them. I will never respect or respond to any ICE agents I come into contact with. They deserve nothing, and will get nothing from me. They have zero power over anything related to me, so fuck em.
 
According to them, she had been following and harassing them all day - which we don't know yet how true that is. Then was blocking the road for 3 minutes - this is already confirmed by eyewitnesses.

In what world can you park perpendicular on a road and that's ok because there's a bit of room to maneuver in the other lane?
If anything, this is a WORSE look for them because it makes it even more clear they just were pissed off at her and not acting to stop a crime or anything like that.

People who join ICE just want power and can't handle it when people don't listen to them or respect their "authority"
 
Pretty sure that would have been a lawful order.
It wasn't
How lucky are we to have someone in this thread that absolutely has the resume and training record of this agent.... WOW!!!
He is clearly grossly incompetent, and that is best case scenario.
You already know that'll never happen
Maybe not all ICE agents, but certainly this one
That's clearly your opinion.
It's a murder, plain as day. Calling it an execution is loaded language, but it is very, very clearly an unlawful killing.
 
According to them, she had been following and harassing them all day - which we don't know yet how true that is. Then was blocking the road for 3 minutes - this is already confirmed by eyewitnesses.

In what world can you park perpendicular on a road and that's ok because there's a bit of room to maneuver in the other lane?

It's on footage, she is not blocking the road. People are freely passing. I can see this with my own eyes.

In reality her car was shielding agents from oncoming traffic even if that wasn't her intention. This something people do all the time in snowy weather actually when there are spin outs and accidents, etc.


Whether or not she was harassing them all day is irrelevant, she is allowed to do that.
 
So, I am going to go a couple ways with this one.

First and foremost, cops don’t “shoot to kill” they are actually trained to “shoot to stop the threat” but they are absolutely trained to shoot vital targets-torso and if that isn’t available, head or you do a double tap to the chest and one to the head-we used to do that drill all the time. Another reason cops aim center mass is that it is the biggest part of the body and thus the easiest to hit under stress and it is the area that contains the most vital organs that is more likely to put a suspect down. Sure, a headshot is always your best bet to take someone out, but remember the head is a smaller target and thus, harder to hit especially while under duress.

Second, I really can’t make up my mind definitively one way or the other on this one. Why did they stop her? What were their intentions if they got her stopped? That matters to me a lot.

Third, as for the actual shooting-when I watched the videos, I couldn’t actually tell which one fired at first-I saw the elevated video first that shows the officer almost get hit. Then I saw the one where the officer grabs her door handle and I still wasn’t immediately sure because you see bullets striking the windshield near the officer that grabbed the door handle. I also have to add that I watched this after I had taken ambien as well, which can fuzzy the eyesight a bit. I don’t get fucked up or anything. The first couple times I took ambien, I had a hell of a fucking trip- but it seems you get inoculated to it very quickly and even if you go quite a while without taking one, that first wild trip never comes back. It’s either like “chasing the dragon” as they used to say with opium or it actually reminds me more of Stephen King’s “The Dome” where people feel a shock and see a vision the first time they actually touch the dome but then it never happens again.

Anyway, I am rambling.

So on to my next point. Why did the officer fire two more times when he stepped out of the way? That one’s trickier. First, use of force should cease once the threat is passed, so by that thinking, once he was definitively out of the way, he should shoot anymore-in theory, at least. However, there are two caveats there.

First, the easy to explain one. That officer doesn’t know if there are any officers behind him that are possibly in the path of her vehicle and he felt he had to act and act immediately or she would be passed him and if there was an officer behind him, he would miss his chance and would never have the time to first check if there is an officer in her path and be able to react.

Second, there are so many studies that try to gauge an officer’s reaction time and how long it takes the human brain to first, detect a threat, second you process that information and label it as a threat, third you make decision to act-and fourth-you act, ie draw gun if not out already and shoot.

Now, after making the decision to shoot and you actually shoot, now you have to go back down the ladder when it’s time to stop shooting. You have to perceive that the threat is passed, process that information, tell your body to stop pulling the trigger which is a trained and untrained reflex at that point, then the “stop shooting” signal has to travel back down the body to the hands


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I didn't read all of this because I'm getting ready to leave work for the day, but re: "That officer doesn’t know if there are any officers behind him that are possibly in the path of her vehicle," he absolutely knew for a fact there were no other officers behind him because he circled counter clockwise around the vehicle from the right side (opposite to where the rest were positioned,) to the front. In so doing, he could clearly see there was no one behind him at the moment he drew his weapon.
 
It's funny to see the difference in reaction from leftists regarding this incident and Ashli Babbit. Babbit did not have a deadly weapon that she attacked law enforcement with and was gunned down, crickets from the left on that one. They don't give a shit about this domestic terrorist, they just want to score political points. They are so engrained in their cult that they can't even see what a joke they have become. These people are not compatible with an orderly society, they are too damn stupid for their own good.
Yeah but if a difference in what she was doing though. I hope you’re just being dishonest and aren’t actually to stupid to understand that
 
Probably shouldn't have shot at her. Just got the license plate and made an arrest warrant. That being said, if that federal agent quickly didn't move to his right at all than he'd have gotten ran over.
I agree with the first part of what you said, that would have been a much better way to handle it.

I disagree that the officet would’ve gotten ran over, because he didn’t. His killing the lady did nothing to change the trajectory of the vehicle in that moment, and he got out of the way fine. I think if you can shoot someone dead and then move out of the way, you could’ve just moved out of the way.
 
According to them, she had been following and harassing them all day - which we don't know yet how true that is. Then was blocking the road for 3 minutes - this is already confirmed by eyewitnesses.

In what world can you park perpendicular on a road and that's ok because there's a bit of room to maneuver in the other lane?
sounds like a justification for execution to me
 
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