Crime Woman in Minneapolis Executed by ICE Officers; White House Reflexively Hand Waves Murder

[PainIsLIfe]

Because he has arms, and you can shoot the front of a car while standing beside it?

Do you people know anything about shooting? No one holds a gun out and points it perpendicular to themselves to fire. Thats one of the 10 dumbest things that I've read on this board.

 

[HereticBD]

That's more if someone is fleeing while brandishing a weapon or something like that.

No, it's for maniacs behind the wheel of a two ton vehicle as well. Stop making up your own rules.

 

[b34stmode]

Its the dumb defund/abolish the police movement all over again. I think it shows low emotional intelligence.

Yeah because everyone is saying that.


lmao. You guys are literally making shit up in every single post. what the fuck am I even reading? Can you go back and quote people saying ICE needs to be abolished? You do realize people saying these agents need to have adequate training isn't anywhere close to being the same thing as wanting to have ICE abolished right?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Who knows at this point. We'll get more video once the investigation finishes.



I don't think she was actively trying to run the guy over. She was trying to run away.

But the guy could have perceived that she was trying to run him over. So the first shot might be understandable.

But the follow up shots from the side were definitely completely over the top.

Completely rational take.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

No, it's for maniacs behind the wheel of a two ton vehicle as well. Stop making up your own rules.

How is that in the interests of public safety. You can't tell me the officers had any control of where that car went after they shot her. What would you be saying if your wife was pushing your child in a pushchair on the pavement and an out of control vehicle with a deceased driver careered into her?

 

[BFoe]

Its the dumb defund/abolish the police movement all over again. I think it shows low emotional intelligence.

To me, it’s low emotional intelligence to keep using an agency and department structure that doesn’t seem to be working well. Just because someone decided to shift immigration from INS to ICE 20 years ago doesn’t mean we have to be stuck with it forever.

Defund the Police—when done correctly—was about shifting a lot of social service type issues which police aren’t properly trained to deal with, to people who are properly trained to deal with it. That’s actually a good idea imo, but it has to be done properly.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Actually... you can here and im assuming there

Nope.

In Queensland, Australia, police officers can only use lethal force, including against a person who is running away, if they have a reasonable belief that the person poses an imminent and significant threat of death or serious physical harm to the officer or the public.

Key point: reasonable beliefs of imminent threat to life or serious injury.

You can't shoot someone running from you if there were no clear prior signs they were attempting to or looking to seriously harm or kill people. In this case, she was just being a nuisance to ICE. Not violent or even aggressive. Therefore, the act of fleeing isn't enough to assume violence will follow.

Unfortunately ... you run from the cops . Theres a logical thought u may be a threat to the public... as i said. I have a pre existing bias because i wish our cops made a similar decision to someone fleeing. Would have prevented a lot of needless innocent deaths.

Fleeing from a cop does not insinuate an intent to harm. To hide something? Sure. But the act of fleeing is inherently avoiding immediate conflict. Thus why shootings someone running away from you is wildly illegal unless they are clearly running in an attempt to actively attack someone. (I.e. with a knife, gun, etc).

Shooting anyone who runs from a cop is an insanely terrible practice. Fear of the cops isn't a death sentence.

I watched videos showing her purposefully obstructing the police. Well .. thats wbat it appeared to me anyhow. Then attempting to flee with said officer in front of vehicle.

Like i said. Fucks me. Everyones going to see what they want . I see dumb decisions

None of which are violent acts that would justify lethal force in your country or ours

 

[Mohawk Mauler]

Figures once the thread starts making sense the loser @Gutter Chris checks out like the walking L his mom brought him up to be

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

She waved the ICE agents to go around her like the first car did, there is VIDEO and AUDIO of her doing so.

So no, she did not block the ICE agents from moving down the street. Have you even read this thread at all before coming in here with your 3 brain cells?

Is your reading comprehension that bad?

Completely glossing over the fact that I agreed with you that there is no felony obstruction… or my statement of “at best they could make a claim for hindering.” And I’m not even saying that it would hold up in court.

If I only have 3 brain cells, then I feel bad for your 1 lonely brain cell…

 

[HereticBD]

How is that in the interests of public safety.

How is it in the interest of public safety to stop a maniac behind the wheel of what can easily be turned into a death machine? Gee, I don't know...

You can't tell me the officers had any control of where that car went after they shot her. What would you be saying if your wife was pushing your child in a pushchair on the pavement and an out of control vehicle with a deceased driver careered into her?

Bu-but, what would you say if a maniac ran over your mother, wife, child, and paperboy, after the cops had ample opportunity to stop them? Huh?

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I saw an interview with a bystander - someone who knew the lady - who said she was trying to obstruct the ICE agents. And this was a person definitely not on the ICE agent's side. I'll post if if I find it as I saw it as part of a longer clip.

Obstruction is a physical act. It's perfectly legal for people to follow them around jeering them in protest.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Do you people know anything about shooting? No one holds a gun out and points it perpendicular to themselves to fire. Thats one of the 10 dumbest things that I've read on this board.

People with little to no training do when they are panicked

 

[Gutter Chris]

Figures once the thread starts making sense the loser @Gutter Chris checks out like the walking L his mom brought him up to be

I already said what I had to say friend.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

How is it in the interest of public safety to stop a maniac behind the wheel of what can easily be turned into a death machine? Gee, I don't know...

Bu-but, what would you say if a maniac ran over your mother, wife, child, and paperboy, after the cops had ample opportunity to stop them? Huh?

Jesus Christ dude, if the police followed this doctrine regularly and it was normal practice then they'd be shooting a fuck load of people.

I kind of hope people are trolling at this point because the lack of humanity people have in this thread is disturbing.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Was there not a caravan of people trying to prevent them from their duties? That’s what the bystanders claim.

Like I said, at best hindering (a misdemeanor), but definitely not felony obstruction unless they can convince a judge she was trying to injure an officer, which I don’t personally see.

It is a felony to deliberately hinder federal law enforcement, no violence needed. Not to mention leading a caravan is also likely took ant least some level of organization, making it also a conspiracy to obstruct federal law enforcement

under federal statutes like 18 U.S.C. § 111, which criminalizes assaulting, resisting, impeding, intimidating, or interfering with federal officers, with penalties potentially reaching 20 years in prison depending on the specifics, especially if force, weapons, or serious harm are involved. This falls under general "obstruction of justice" or "obstructing a federal officer" charges, making it a serious federal crime, not just a misdemeanor.

 

[Rational Poster]

Was there not a caravan of people trying to prevent them from their duties? That’s what the bystanders claim.

Like I said, at best hindering (a misdemeanor), but definitely not felony obstruction unless they can convince a judge she was trying to injure an officer, which I don’t personally see.

DHS confirmed that their duties were already completed for the day and they were just stuck in the snow.

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

It is a felony to deliberately hinder federal law enforcement, no violence needed. Not to mention leading a caravan is also likely took ant least some level of organization, making it also a conspiracy to obstruct federal law enforcement

under federal statutes like 18 U.S.C. § 111, which criminalizes assaulting, resisting, impeding, intimidating, or interfering with federal officers, with penalties potentially reaching 20 years in prison depending on the specifics, especially if force, weapons, or serious harm are involved. This falls under general "obstruction of justice" or "obstructing a federal officer" charges, making it a serious federal crime, not just a misdemeanor.

I understand that it can be a felony, I just don’t see a judge going with it, UNLESS prosecutors can convince she was trying to injure an officer, which by the actions on video, I personally don’t see. But I’m no judge or legal scholar.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Why didnt ICE agents detain the other cars driver as well? why were they OK letting that car sit in the road, IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER THAT HER CAR WAS?

fucking LMAO at calling this a felony. You people are fucking pathetic at this point. Jesus Christ.

do us a favor, show us what felony obstruction of justice is. Then show us some cases where someone was found guilty of it. Then show us how this lady committed felony obstruction of justice.

This is felony obstruction but the 10 examples of Trump's obstruction in the Mueller report are just a Russiagate Hoax!

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

Figures once the thread starts making sense the loser @Gutter Chris checks out like the walking L his mom brought him up to be

You mean the guy with the punk rock avatar who is so scared of getting his guns taken away that he would gladly lick clean any fascist boot placed in front of him? Yeah he's a loser.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

She didn't speed off. She didn't ram anyone. There was no threat. Just more outright lies, because you guys are complete scumbags.

You're responding to the chief MAGA propagandist on this site...