Crime Woman in Minneapolis Executed by ICE Officers; White House Reflexively Hand Waves Murder

[Rational Poster]

My guess is that he was talking about the protestors that were blowing whistles calling for others to show up.

Dont be dense about it.

There is video footage there are no protestors surrounding the officers.

 

[Confucamus]

Maybe but when the federal government is out here spouting pure bullshit about what happened, it pretty fucked up. It was a point blank shot to the head and there is a lot of videos already released.

I'm going by what I've seen, not what the federal government says. Whatever they say though, needs to be backed up by evidence to believe.

Officer that positioned himself in front of her car, and she turned to avoid.

Also the worst take of anyone is our president, who blatantly lied and said the officer was “run over” is “hard to believe he is alive” and “recovering in hospital”

Any discussion here is on did he get bumped by the car or not, and “could” he have been seriously hit or not

Maybe you're right about what she intended to do. Maybe I'm right. We'll never know for sure. The tape doesn't lie, however. There is no denying that, at the point right before the the wheels were pointed straight forward and she accelerated hard enough to make the front tires spin before it began moving forward while the car was pointed directly at the officer. You really think it's unreasonable that this officer feared for his life in that moment?

Could have been dropping her off. Are you denying she let a car past and tried waving past the ICE car? Since when do people blocking roads do that? Isn't that the opposite of blocking the road?

Good fucking lord...

 

[Hog-train]

ICE officer clearly fucked up. That was way over the top. They should have just let her pass and then chased her down and arrested her.

But I don't think the officer will be charged because she was also in the wrong.

If she was actively trying to block ICE vehicles in the middle of the road or was she just doing a U-turn? That will come into play as well. The video doesn't show what was happening before her car was in the middle of the road.

Stuff like this incident will be inevitable as long as people try to physically hinder ICE agents.

 

[Darkballs]

It absolutely comes down to him "thinking" it. That's the way the law views it. - he reasonabltly felt endangered and reacted.

No it doesn't. The law comes down to what a reasonable person would think.

A person can claim that they were afraid for their lives, and a reasonable jury could conclude that this guy was a lying piece of shit, or a terrified trump supporter, and his fear, no matter how genuine, was unreasonable.

You think you guys could at least get the law right before you defended killing someone.

 

[b34stmode]

It absolutely comes down to him "thinking" it. That's the way the law views it. - he reasonabltly felt endangered and reacted.

It wasn't reasonable, he aggressively walked into a car trying to go the opposite way of him, and most likely never even knew he was there.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Making memories.

Internet says she was a rapid responder - ie professional protester.

 

[Substance Abuse]

Making memories.

What a deranged sack of shit. Got damn.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

There is video footage there are no protestors surrounding the officers.

They are on the sidewalk. Who do you think made rhe 2 videos?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

 

[SpicyJoe]

That's murder.

 

[Roids]

Maybe you're right about what she intended to do. Maybe I'm right. We'll never know for sure. The tape doesn't lie, however. There is no denying that, at the point right before the the wheels were pointed straight forward and she accelerated hard enough to make the front tires spin before it began moving forward while the car was pointed directly at the officer. You really think it's unreasonable that this officer feared for his life in that moment?

Im glad you said the tape doesn't lie. With that in mind, tell us what was the officers body position relative to the car the moment he fired? Also you must have also seen the officer chose to walk in front of the car. You can't step in front of a car then play victim. The courts have rejected that for cops.

 

[Deaths Head]

That’s what I said happened. Clearly they were there for an arrest no matter how they caused it but they got something better a murder ,these guys are celebrating it as everyone here argues that’s a fact it doesn’t take a genius to see they are hired criminal like scum bags that get off on this stuff that’s why Trump is going to reward them .

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I'm old enough to remember when the right was against government overreach.

You do?? When was this?

As long as I can remember, the right was against government "overreaching" when it came to taxes, regulations, labor laws, health programs, etc.

They've always been fervently in favor of the government imprisoning a shitload of people, giving them long sentences, the police abusing citizens, etc.

 

[Dreyga Hates You Sherbums]

ICE officer clearly fucked up. That was way over the top. They should have just let her pass and then chased her down and arrested her.

But I don't think the officer will be charged because she was also in the wrong.

If she was actively trying to block ICE vehicles in the middle of the road or was she just doing a U-turn? That will come into play as well. The video doesn't show what was happening before her car was in the middle of the road.

Stuff like this incident will be inevitable as long as people try to physically hinder ICE agents.

Here is a video from Fox News. I think it’s pretty clear that she wasn’t trying to block the road, she let that first car go by. Waved them forward and everything…she was trying to leave.



My opinion the dude definitely overreacted. I don’t know if it’s murder but most likely manslaughter, but I guess it varies between state to state what qualifies.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

No it doesn't. The law comes down to what a reasonable person would think.

A person can claim that they were afraid for their lives, and a reasonable jury could conclude that this guy was a lying piece of shit, or a terrified trump supporter, and his fear, no matter how genuine, was unreasonable.

You think you guys could at least get the law right before you defended killing someone.

Shouldn't you give up on giving legal proclamation?

If you are in front of a suv when the driver guns the engine and starts toward you- a fukn reasonable person would they were being run down.

This is a sad situation, but it ain't murder when law enforcement does it.

 

[LMP]

I'm going by what I've seen, not what the federal government says. Whatever they say though, needs to be backed up by evidence to believe.

Sure, like there is video where you can see her tires turn away. There is video of another car passing her. There is video of the agent that shot her walking up to her vehicle after the shooting. So if you want to see everything and decide for yourself, there are all sorts of options and a lot of camera angles. That doesn't excuse the federal government and crap they are saying. Which is what most people are upset about in here. You can always decide for yourself, others are chosing to repeat the talking points. My stance is that it's ridiculous to think that she was trying to run the agent over, as she would almost certainly be focused on the agent trying to open her door. Her getting shot point blank in the head, by an officer that appears to not actually have been hurt or targeted is crazy.

 

[johnmangala]

I’m surprised they killed a white woman citizen.

This was never about just immigrants.

 

[Roids]

It absolutely comes down to him "thinking" it. That's the way the law views it. - he reasonabltly felt endangered and reacted.

No it doesn't. It comes down to what an objective person would reasonably think. It's not down to his subjective opinion.

 

[Rational Poster]

They are on the sidewalk. Who do you think made rhe 2 videos?

People dozens of feet away recording on from the sidewalk, not surrounding the officers. The other lane was clear, the road ahead of their vehicle was also clear. No one was in the road except the vehicles and the ICE agents.

It's on video.

 

[b34stmode]

Im glad you said the tape doesn't lie. With that in mind, tell us what was the officers body position relative to the car the moment he fired? Also you must have also seen the officer chose to walk in front of the car. You can't step in front of a car then play victim. The courts have rejected that for cops.

Naomi got extremely mad when asked multiple times if he fired before or after being hit. Me thinks the investigation is going to show he fired before being physically hit by the vehicle.