Crime Woman in Minneapolis Executed by ICE Officers; White House Reflexively Hand Waves Murder

Rational Poster said:
Kristi Noem herself went on TV last night and said there was no ongoing operations the agents were just stuck in the snow. lmao
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Do you just lie for your convenience hoping people won't check? They said they were in the middle of an operation when they got stuck in the snow. Two things can be true at once.

Here is the press conference.

Starting at 1:32 of the video:

"at 10:25 AM Central Time, immigration and customs enforcement were carrying out LAWFUL OPERATIONS here in Minneapolis. Because of the adverse weather... one of the vehicles became stuck and ensnared in the snow. Law enforcement were attempting tp push out this vehicle when a mob of agitators that were harassing them all day began BLOCKING THEM IN, shouting at them and impeding law enforcement operations..."

"She had been STALKING AND IMPEDING their work all throughout the day..."



Alpha_T83 said:
You are so far out of your depth it's not even funny.

The "moment of threat" (your "she hit him") does not matter. Get that through your thick skull. In Barnes v. Felix (2025) SCOTUS rejected a “moment-of-threat only” approach and emphasized that courts can’t ignore what happened before the trigger pull.


What that means in plain English is that the totality of the stop must be taken into account. Was the stop justified? Was the attempted detention legal? Did officers make an appropriate attempt to de-escalate the situation? Did the officers make every attempt to avoid "creating the threat" by putting themselves in the path of the vehicle? All of this is considered in Barnes v. Felix.

These officers seem to have attempted to illegally detain a woman that was protesting, escalated the situation, and created the very threat they are attempting to use as justification for deadly force. If this is the case, then this IS NOT a justified use of force, and they will be charged with manslaughter.

"Barnes v. Felix has supremacy. A Supreme Court decision interpreting the Constitution controls what is lawful under the Fourth Amendment, and no DHS policy can override or narrow that constitutional standard."
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So you admit she hit him with the car?

Because everyone here seems to claim she didn't him him.

That's all I'm refuting. Because I have this thing... it's called eyeballs.

I'm not arguing against all of this legalese or who is responsible and liability. I haven't made up my mind yet on any of that until we learn more.
 
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^^^ Here is the same agent getting dragged 300 feet trying to serve a warrant some months ago.

I'm sharing for context.
 
Hog-train said:
Do you just lie for your convenience hoping people won't check? They said they were in the middle of an operation when they got stuck in the snow. Two things can be true at once.

Here is the press conference.

Starting at 1:32 of the video:

"at 10:25 AM Central Time, immigration and customs enforcement were carrying out LAWFUL OPERATIONS here in Minneapolis. Because of the adverse weather... one of the vehicles became stuck and ensnared in the snow. Law enforcement were attempting tp push out this vehicle when a mob of agitators that were harassing them all day began BLOCKING THEM IN, shouting at them and impeding law enforcement operations..."

"She had been STALKING AND IMPEDING their work all throughout the day..."

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"An agitator was impeding our operation, so when she tried to leave we of course shot her in the face."
 
kflo said:
it looks as if he's leaning into the car actually. again, his goal was to stop her from leaving. that's why his gun was drawn to begin with. not to protect himself.
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Now you're jumping to silly conclusions. No need to make shit up.
 
cottagecheesefan said:
yes, and then she didnt move until they went to detain her, and then she attempted to flee. We dont have video leading up to that to see how many warnings they gave, how she responded, etc. Wish there was more footage available.

But what we do have is eye witnesses all saying she was leading an effort to stop ICE from operating.



Lol what? Anyone deciding if his decision and action was reasonable or not is indeed forming an opinion, their personal opinion, on the likely danger she posed would have to posed to others in that situation. That would involve them making up scenarios in their head.

Again, do you actually think she was going to leave, following the speed limit, obeying traffic signs, etc? You may think that, that is your personal opinion. I on the other hand do not think she would have, thus posing a danger to others. You may also think she may have sped off, but not been enough danger to others to warrant her person shot. Neither of us know because she is dead.

Anyone involved in clearing this agent or not will indeed have to then form their own personal opinion to decide if they think he was reasonable.



who did? They literally announced the largest ICE operation to deal with a crackdown in MN amid the Somali fraud allegations and convictions

At a news conference tonight, Noem provided an account of the moments before shots rang out in Minneapolis.

She said ICE was carrying out operations in Minnesota at 10:25 a.m. CT and trying to push out of the snow one of its vehicles that had become stuck. At that time, “a mob of agitators that were harassing them all day began blocking them in, shouting at them, and impeding law enforcement operations,” Noem said.

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You literally posted saying they were trying to push a truck out of the snow. Like I can't make this up. Her vehicle is turned beside an ICE vehicle blocking the road, so she isn't even the one blocking the road. She yields to other vehicles, even tries to waive the truck that the agents got out of by. Pretty infective to try to block ICE agents yielding to them and waiving them by.
 
Limbo Pete said:
"An agitator was impeding our operation, so when she tried to leave we of course shot her in the face."
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Let me fix that for you to be more accurate.

... when she hit the ICE Agent with her SUV, she got shot in the face.

At least tell the whole truth. I think he was quick on the draw, but I also think she was way out of line. I'm not him and couldn't see the look on her face, hear the SUV revving up, hear the tires break traction, and wasn't dragged 300 feet by another vehicle and hospitalized trying to serve a warrant previously. Perhaps he should not be in the field? She had a FAFO moment and should have listened to the LEOs. Her decision-making was terrible.

I want to know where the Minneapolis PD was. Why are they allowing agitators to break traffic laws, recklessly drive, and endanger everyone? If they did their job, perhaps we wouldn't have this debate.
 
Limbo Pete said:
You can easily see both of his feet clear of the path of the vehicle. Claiming otherwise is an outright lie.
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You're just seeing what you want to see. Your video has the agent on the driver side obscuring the view of the agent who got hit so you can't see clearly.

But the video from the other angle clearly shows contact was made.
 
Hog-train said:
Do you just lie for your convenience hoping people won't check? They said they were in the middle of an operation when they got stuck in the snow. Two things can be true at once.

Here is the press conference.

Starting at 1:32 of the video:

"at 10:25 AM Central Time, immigration and customs enforcement were carrying out LAWFUL OPERATIONS here in Minneapolis. Because of the adverse weather... one of the vehicles became stuck and ensnared in the snow. Law enforcement were attempting tp push out this vehicle when a mob of agitators that were harassing them all day began BLOCKING THEM IN, shouting at them and impeding law enforcement operations..."

"She had been STALKING AND IMPEDING their work all throughout the day..."





So you admit she hit her?

Because everyone here seems to claim she didn't him him.

That's all I'm refuting. Because I have this thing... it's called eyeballs.

I'm not arguing against all of this legalese or who is responsible and liability. I haven't made up my mind yet on any of that until we learn more.
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It has been confirmed and widely reported that by that time of the day they had completed their operations. They were just stuck in the snow.
 
Mods, please do everyone a favor. If you are going to delete our posts and call them "offensive"... at least share which post it was and what part was offensive. I wasn't trying to be offensive and don't think I was, but I have zero reference for what I did wrong, so I don't repeat it. I'll follow along, but I have no idea how to comply. I even got dubs in the past for an "offensive" post, never received an explanation of what was offensive, and I honestly couldn't figure it out.
 
Rational Poster said:
It has been confirmed and widely reported that by that time of the day they had completed their operations. They were just stuck in the snow.
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Show me where Noem said that. Show me where "it has been confirmed" they had completed operations for the day.

Mind you, this was 10:25 in the morning.
 
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LMP said:
You literally posted saying they were trying to push a truck out of the snow. Like I can't make this up. Her vehicle is turned beside an ICE vehicle blocking the road, so she isn't even the one blocking the road. She yields to other vehicles, even tries to waive the truck that the agents got out of by. Pretty infective to try to block ICE agents yielding to them and waiving them by.
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Yes their truck got stuck, while carrying out an operation. So they are in the process of carrying out an operation. A truck getting stuck doesn’t stop and entire operation. And as per multiple eye witness, she was obstructing their operation successfully
 
Hog-train said:
You're just seeing what you want to see. Your video has the agent on the driver side obscuring the view of the agent who got hit so you can't see clearly.

But the video from the other angle clearly shows contact was made.
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yet you can clearly see his lower body not in the path of the moving vehicle. he drew his weapon before she even went forward. he was stopping her from fleeing. that's not the actions of someone scared for their life. it's the actions of someone making sure she can't flee.
 
SurferH2O said:
Mods, please do everyone a favor. If you are going to delete our posts and call them "offensive"... at least share which post it was and what part was offensive. I wasn't trying to be offensive and don't think I was, but I have zero reference for what I did wrong, so I don't repeat it. I'll follow along, but I have no idea how to comply. I even got dubs in the past for an "offensive" post, never received an explanation of what was offensive, and I honestly couldn't figure it out.
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Please stop posting stuff we have to delete
 
SurferH2O said:
Let me fix that for you to be more accurate.

... when she hit the ICE Agent with her SUV, she got shot in the face.

At least tell the whole truth. I think he was quick on the draw, but I also think she was way out of line. I'm not him and couldn't see the look on her face, hear the SUV revving up, hear the tires break traction, and wasn't dragged 300 feet by another vehicle and hospitalized trying to serve a warrant previously. Perhaps he should not be in the field? She had a FAFO moment and should have listened to the LEOs. Her decision-making was terrible.

I want to know where the Minneapolis PD was. Why are they allowing agitators to break traffic laws, recklessly drive, and endanger everyone? If they did their job, perhaps we wouldn't have this debate.
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More hyperbole from the scumbag brigade I see. No, he was fine, no, he wasn't in danger. She wasn't threating him, or anyone, and what he did was outright murder. It's transparent right there in the footage. But you turds are obsessed with these violent power fantasies. Addicted. Man what a miserable, valueless worldview. I mean maybe you have some excuse, being an actual Neanderthal.
 
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