With his insane cardio, why isnt Cain ripped?

[Sac423]

tacos won't make you fat...floyd mayweather and most people who know a little about nutrition debunk those "junk food" myths. Floyd's out and about in vegas at 2 am eating cheeseburgers and fries in the week or 2 prior to his fights and guess what? He's ripped all year long. Hmm...i wonder why?

Dont remember what I have said in this thread. Thought I just said the taco bell joke wasnt funny. But anyways, yeah, plenty of fighters eat cheeseburgers and such here and there.

If you work out like an athlete you dont need a vegan diet to look ripped as fuck. This I know.

 

[Sac423]

race is a broad term.. it doesn't have an exact meaning..

"a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group"

This is the internet. People like to jump on one thing someone says and run with that. just trying to prevent a smart ass comment. I'm all preemptive like that

a sonnen fan talking about racist

Yes? And?

 

[Darkeonz]

lmao, looks like I was right hey?



Exactly. The only difference anyone can think of genetically speaking is one's BMR.



Preach on, this guy still doesn't listen when more than 3 people are trying to educate him.

Somatotypes is some bullshit made by some guy guy in the early 1900s. Those stupid mice studies don't fool me mate.

Dude you are not all that bright are you? I know I would stay away from personal attacks, but there just isn't any way around it. The two other are "somewhat" giving me arguments, but you are just spewing nonsense.

The one guy actually admitted that there were hundreds of genetic differences that played a role in all of this. And now you say "those stupid mice studies". Ohh please don't tell me you are one of those anti-science guys?

If you take someone genetically gifted and put him into Cains life (same diet same exercise). He will probably end up looking a lot more shredded. That means that it is genetic! Even though Cain could achieve the same by changing things. It is still genetics.

 

[AkuraIchiban]

Tortillas are fattening because of the way they are made today in the us,
why most Mexicanos make food at home rather than buying premade garbage.

Corn is the way to go and if has anything other than salt, pepper some chilis and maybe flower petals...well, dont eat it.

Then again, nobody ever accused a southern hermano of not overendulging in some bomb comida.

Luckily most indiginous "mexican" foods are very healthy.
Unluckily enough, its hard in the states to get quality ingredients without growing yourself.
Should see my yard, its completely garden nothing non edible or medicinal.

Medicinal? Can you invite me to one of your wild 'medicine smoking' parties?

 

[Darkeonz]

Sometimes it is self-evident.

If people want to throw around competing theories about the structure of dark matter then I'm not going to dispute any suggestion that is semi-reasonable.

If people are going to say Cain Valesquez isn't ripped because his genes don't permit it and that's that, then it's really not too far off in validity from 'the world is flat', 'the earth doesn't spin' or 'the sun goes around the earth', 'the proper treatment is to bleed the patient', etc.

The reason Cain is not ripped is because of genetics. Could he get ripped if that was his main focus? Sure. If you took someone genetically gifted and had him live the life Cain is living, you would have a much more shredded person. How can you deny that it is genetics that makes that difference?

 

[KneetoLiver]

Genetics, diet, workout regiment

At 6'1" and 241lbs wouldn't Cain be considered overweight by BMI?

 

[Darkeonz]

Genetics, diet, workout regiment

At 6'1" and 241lbs wouldn't Cain be considered overweight by BMI?

Yes he would. But BMI is nonsense :-D

 

[BisexualMMA]

The reason Cain is not ripped is because of genetics. Could he get ripped if that was his main focus? Sure. If you took someone genetically gifted and had him live the life Cain is living, you would have a much more shredded person. How can you deny that it is genetics that makes that difference?

You're acting like you know better than anyone how much he eats. For all you know, he is 'genetically gifted' and eats like Emmanuel Yarbrough.

The genetic variance between humans is really small.

Some severely obese people will claim that their genes are the culprit, while eating crap food nonstop and barely moving all day. Some other guy who used to be fat might have changed his diet and trained specifically to address the problem, and then people who didn't know 'endomorphic Bob' will see 'mesomorphic Bob' and assume he is just 'genetically gifted.'

People act like the genetic variance between humans regarding their metabolism / hormones / glands etc. is enormous, responsible for these huge disparities between the fit crowd and the obese crowd, when the genetics are almost identical and there is instead an enormous difference in dietary patterns, activity level and lifestyle.

A large segment of the population actually believes that the genetic difference between two people will almost singlehandedly result in a similar physique / muscularity / body fat difference to what we see between the typical horse:

...and the typical walrus:

You see people with a lower body fat % than that horse, and people with a higher body fat % than that walrus. These two people don't have more difference in their genes than a horse does from a walrus. You don't see obese horses and you don't see ripped walruses. You can attribute THAT difference, between a horse's physique and that of a walrus, to genetics.

But to get that kind of difference in humans, you have to look primarily at lifestyle choices and diet. There aren't humans with fat-deposit genes equal to that of a walrus. Humans have more control over their environment and behavioral choices than any other animal, and over the course of the last 200 years we've found ways to eat more and more calories while doing less and less work.

It is human nature, unfortunately, to look for any justification or explanation that doesn't oblige one to make difficult choices or do difficult work.

There are no humans cursed with such unfortunate genes that they might as well be a walrus.

"Humans" is not like "birds," where you might get some eagles, some penguins, some pigeons, some ostriches. Humans are so similar genetically that we're all ostriches, or all eagles.

 

[KneetoLiver]

Yes he would. But BMI is nonsense :-D

LOL it really is.

 

[gevoudane]

If I'm not mistaken, doesnt to little body fat mess up cardio/endurance also?

 

[Darkeonz]

You're acting like you know better than anyone how much he eats. For all you know, he is 'genetically gifted' and eats like Emmanuel Yarbrough.

The genetic variance between humans is really small.

Some severely obese people will claim that their genes are the culprit, while eating crap food nonstop and barely moving all day. Some other guy who used to be fat might have changed his diet and trained specifically to address the problem, and then people who didn't know 'endomorphic Bob' will see 'mesomorphic Bob' and assume he is just 'genetically gifted.'

People act like the genetic variance between humans regarding their metabolism / hormones / glands etc. is enormous, responsible for these huge disparities between the fit crowd and the obese crowd, when the genetics are almost identical and there is instead an enormous difference in dietary patterns, activity level and lifestyle.

A large segment of the population actually believes that the genetic difference between two people will almost singlehandedly result in a similar physique / muscularity / body fat difference to what we see between the typical horse:

You see people with a lower body fat % than that horse, and people with a higher body fat % than that walrus. These two people don't have more difference in their genes than a horse does from a walrus. You don't see obese horses and you don't see ripped walruses. You can attribute THAT difference, between a horse's physique and that of a walrus, to genetics.

But to get that kind of difference in humans, you have to look primarily at lifestyle choices and diet. There aren't humans with fat-deposit genes equal to that of a walrus. Humans have more control over their environment and behavioral choices than any other animal, and over the course of the last 200 years we've found ways to eat more and more calories while doing less and less work.

It is human nature, unfortunately, to look for any justification or explanation that doesn't oblige one to make difficult choices or do difficult work.

There are no humans cursed with such unfortunate genes that they might as well be a walrus.

Yes the genetic variance between humans is really small. I am not saying obese people can use genetics as excuse. We are talking about the difference between having a little fat on your stomach like Cain does, or being completely shredded. That is a small difference. You took it to a whole other level lol. You went from two extremes. Being shredded and being obese lol. We are talking about the difference between having 5% body fat and then maybe 10% body fat.

"Humans" is not like "birds," where you might get some eagles, some penguins, some pigeons, some ostriches. Humans are so similar genetically that we're all ostriches, or all eagles.

Birds are not a species lol. Birds, Dogs, Apes are classes... We are the ape class, so we are closely related to bonobos, chimpanzees, gorillas and so on. I am not sure where you are going with this. It is a moot point

 

[xupacabra]

i must say, i have better example

Come on. This is different. These guys have enormous muscle mass, bad cardio is typical for such fighters..

 

[Cygnus-X]

Yes he would. But BMI is nonsense :-D

BMI is not nonsense, it's an appropriate tool for measuring on a population level. That people don't understand that it doesn't work very well when applied to individuals is another matter.

 

[BisexualMMA]

BMI is not nonsense, it's an appropriate tool for measuring on a population level. That people don't understand that it doesn't work very well when applied to individuals is another matter.

It's a pretty outdated metric. It doesn't do anything to distinguish between healthy tissue and unhealthy tissue...

It would have use perhaps in a place where starvation is pervasive and almost universal.

It's pretty meaningless in the first world (well not entirely I guess because obesity is so pervasive). But whoever was measuring Arnold would have told him to stop eating so much and start exercising...

There are much better tools available today.

 

[SmilesNCries**]

Dude you are not all that bright are you? I know I would stay away from personal attacks, but there just isn't any way around it. The two other are "somewhat" giving me arguments, but you are just spewing nonsense.

The one guy actually admitted that there were hundreds of genetic differences that played a role in all of this. And now you say "those stupid mice studies". Ohh please don't tell me you are one of those anti-science guys?

If you take someone genetically gifted and put him into Cains life (same diet same exercise). He will probably end up looking a lot more shredded. That means that it is genetic! Even though Cain could achieve the same by changing things. It is still genetics.

No, you're not bright. You keep saying I'm attacking you when I'm not and instead you started to insult my intelligence. But it's obvious why, you're trying to deter me from speaking about the topic because I destroy you each time I post. You make no sense.

I told you before that you'd twist your point after my comment and you DID LOL!

You stand by your studies conducted on mice and I'll stick to those done by expert nutritonists who get people RIPPED and ready for contests.

Your point is that somatotypes exist, everyone here is disagreeing with you. I wonder why? And don't say I hopped on the bandwagon, I was the first one to tell you and 50 other posters here that "genetics" do not mean you cannot be ripped WHICH IS IN FACT WHAT YOU SAID.

So don't think you can get away with twisting your point again. I already saw you say something like "oh yeah he can get ripped if chooses to but genetics makes it harder for him to do so" which is what I was saying before and you were DISAGREEING with.

Come on, reply again with "you're attacking me". I'm educating you, and you're disrespecting me. People these days... you try to help them and this is how they repay you.

 

[Blood Python]

too much mantequilla in the hot tortilla

 

[Darkeonz]

BMI is not nonsense, it's an appropriate tool for measuring on a population level. That people don't understand that it doesn't work very well when applied to individuals is another matter.

Well when you went to get a medical check as a kid, they used the BMI scale and gave instructions accordingly to what it showed. Or maybe we just had a messed up physician lol

 

[Darkeonz]

No, you're not bright. You keep saying I'm attacking you when I'm not and instead you started to insult my intelligence. But it's obvious why, you're trying to deter me from speaking about the topic because I destroy you each time I post. You make no sense.

I told you before that you'd twist your point after my comment and you DID LOL!

You stand by your studies conducted on mice and I'll stick to those done by expert nutritonists who get people RIPPED and ready for contests.

Your point is that somatotypes exist, everyone here is disagreeing with you. I wonder why? And don't say I hopped on the bandwagon, I was the first one to tell you and 50 other posters here that "genetics" do not mean you cannot be ripped WHICH IS IN FACT WHAT YOU SAID.

So don't think you can get away with twisting your point again. I already saw you say something like "oh yeah he can get ripped if chooses to but genetics makes it harder for him to do so" which is what I was saying before and you were DISAGREEING with.

Come on, reply again with "you're attacking me". I'm educating you, and you're disrespecting me. People these days... you try to help them and this is how they repay you.

All your posts indicates that you are having an internal conversation with yourself. You jump way ahead in discussions and make up things that have not been said. I have never twisted my point. Guess what buddy. You don't get to decide what my point is. I said genetics is the reason Cain looks like he does, and I have stuck to that all throughout the debate.

Expert nutritonists are not educated about genetics, so why are you listning to them when we are talking about genetics? Have i ever said nutriton is not important? no

You are by far the silliest poster in this debate, and I am not one bit surprised that you got double yellow.

 

[SmilesNCries**]

All your posts indicates that you are having an internal conversation with yourself. You jump way ahead in discussions and make up things that have not been said. I have never twisted my point. Guess what buddy. You don't get to decide what my point is. I said genetics is the reason Cain looks like he does, and I have stuck to that all throughout the debate.

Expert nutritonists are not educated about genetics, so why are you listning to them when we are talking about genetics? Have i ever said nutriton is not important? no

You are by far the silliest poster in this debate, and I am not one bit surprised that you got double yellow.

I got a double yellow because I told off some turd who was post whoring and going on threads simply saying "lol" or "you suck".

So once again, you don't reply to my actual points and instead deter it by being a lunatic and saying i'm having an "internal conversation" lol...My god, you have stooped to the lowest level.

In fact, I am the most knowledgeable poster in this discussion, I've proven it by continuously shutting down your silly ideas. Why don't you keep telling yourself that Cain can't get ripped because of "genetics". Fail more mate, I no longer have any respect for you as a person. I was trying to educate you, but now I'm done. I'm not gonna bother. You're an ungrateful, rude, non-sensical person who frankly is just to stubborn to listen to others thoughtful comments.

Oh yeah...i nearly forgot. Good luck on your weight loss goals in 2014

 

[Darkeonz]

I got a double yellow because I told off some turd who was post whoring and going on threads simply saying "lol" or "you suck".

So once again, you don't reply to my actual points and instead deter it by being a lunatic and saying i'm having an "internal conversation" lol...My god, you have stooped to the lowest level.

In fact, I am the most knowledgeable poster in this discussion, I've proven it by continuously shutting down your silly ideas. Why don't you keep telling yourself that Cain can't get ripped because of "genetics". Fail more mate, I no longer have any respect for you as a person. I was trying to educate you, but now I'm done. I'm not gonna bother. You're an ungrateful, rude, non-sensical person who frankly is just to stubborn to listen to others thoughtful comments.

Oh yeah...i nearly forgot. Good luck on your weight loss goals in 2014

Heh.. you are pretty young aren't you . I did not say genetics is the reason Cain can't get shredded. I said genetics is the reason Cain isn't shredded.