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You are definitely a teenagerNo, I wasn't forced into it, you're the one that's annoying me here.
If you do that then it's on you, bro.
You are definitely a teenagerNo, I wasn't forced into it, you're the one that's annoying me here.
If you do that then it's on you, bro.
Nah, I'm in my early 20's Alhamdulillah, and you're a grown-ass man in his late 40's but with a child's personality, all of you guys are beefing with me cause all I said Stipe should not fight Jon especially with the fact that if Arlovski probably retires this month which will most likely gonna happen (cause there's a reason why the UFC chose to book his fight for UFC 303 instead of June 15th similar to Lawler retiring at UFC 290), Stipe will be having 0 fights over any current active UFC HW fighter.You are definitely a teenager
I never said to ban you. Look at you. You're so upset you can't even read properly lolWhy are you tagging someone to ban me? what did I even do to you personally?
I get it, you're nostalgic, dude, these HW's of this new era, their era is just starting ffs, so before you shit on this era, you should actually do your research first, cause also I have a feeling in the next 10 years, you will all gonna be shitting on the next era of fighters and you will wish you would've appreciated the ones you're living with of nowadays.Jon would've had real problems with JDS, Cain, Barnett, Mir and Brock. Almost certainly loses to Reem, werdum and younger Stipe.
Heck even volkov would give him issues.
Gane is a UFC 1 level fighter. MO Smith is more well rounded. Mark Coleman probably beats Gane lol
I get it, you're nostalgic, dude, these HW's of this new era, their era is just starting ffs, so before you shit on this era, you should actually do your research first, cause also I have a feeling in the next 10 years, you will all gonna be shitting on the next era of fighters and you will wish you would've appreciated the ones you're living with of nowadays.
And hell no, Coleman doesn't beat Gane LMAO, Jon is just that great, and also no, Jon beats almost every fighter in existence, bro, and according to Khabib's father, only 2 type of HW's that can maybe beat Jon but not really, the type of fighters that can beat Jon are ofc guys like Aspinall, Francis or Prime Fedor, Jon at HW is hitting his stride and a new prime, and Jon would've done the same thing he did to Gane to any HW in his debut cause Jon was an unknown fighter at HW, any HW is gonna do better than Gane against Jon now after knowing the type of fighter Jon is, and about what LHW's that could've beaten Jon, I'd say prime Mousasi or Rumble, also Blachowicz would give the Jon that fought Reyes serious problems.
Lol at James Tony would do well in today's HW, James isn't even an MMA fighter, and shut up with you saying Coleman and Randy would beat Gane, NO, you just being nostalgic and you want to shit on today's HW's, we're still in the early 2020's, I have a feeling when it's the 2030's, you will be like "HW's of 2020 was the best era of HW's" and also Gane is not Tim Sylvia, bro, and if you said "There are almost no well rounded HW's now and it's not debatable" why Jon was looking for a way to duck Pavlovich then? he also wants to duck Blaydes vs Aspinall winner, and also, he ducked Francis when he was the champion.The only thing I'm wondering is if you're high.
That paragraph is one long rambling run on sentence that doesn't really say anything LOL
AND LOL @ mousasi being one of the only threats at LHW! Haha!
Jones ducked HW until now for a reason. I already stated it. It's pretty obvious. There are almost no well rounded HWs now and it's not debatable.
Mo Smith had TDD. Gane got taken down by Grancis smh. So yeah Coleman and Randy both could beat Gane.
James Tony would do well in today's HW. He'd beat everyone except Jones, Aspinall, Blaydes and Jailton
Stipe Miocic hasn't won a fight since August 2020 which was 4 years ago and his last fight which saw him losing the title was 3 years ago since March 2021, and looking at Stipe's MMA Record of his wins and losses, all the guys he fought are not in the UFC and also he holds 0 wins over currently active UFC fighters except Arlovski who's maybe retiring this month and who's actually past his prime and not ranked and just being a Gatekeeper/stepping stone for rising contenders, and he's just winning and losing fights like Jim Miller, Clay Guida...etc of these type of fighters.
Even the guys that beat Stipe in Struve, JDS, DC and FN are also not in the UFC anymore.
And yet he's still ranked one of the top 10 HW's in the UFC and was also top 5 (but later Volkov surpassed him in the rankings), then it's like either Brock Lesnar or Cain Velasquez should've stayed in the top 15 rankings as well.
Stipe should retire but the fool is going full Tony Ferguson and wants to fight Jon which is a huge risk as he's putting a lot on the line, his fanbase, his dignity/image in the sport...etc which if he losses, I can't imagine the number of fans who are gonna turn their backs on him, because when Stipe losses to Jon which most likely he will, he should not act like as if his fans didn't warn him before the Jon fight and will feel apologetic to his fans, so why Stipe has to fight Jon? what else he needs to prove or accomplish? if he has to retire then that's his time to retire.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the miracle of Stipe winning and prove many people wrong including me and Jon losses to the guy that had the least chance of beating him, cause yes, Stipe has the lowest chance at beating Jon among all the current ranked HW fighters, I can even bet that Gane in a rematch would put on a much better performance against Jon than Stipe if he'd be fighting Jon.
Edit: and about Arlovski retiring this year, this interview was in 2019, we're in 2024 now
Cause the real legacy fight is him vs the interim champion cause if Jon still beats Aspinall after he beats Blaydes then Jon really proved to fans he's the GOAT fr, to show how great he is and show that he can do that to even the younger guys of HW who are still hitting their primes and that his win over Gane wasn't luck.Well, this is what Jon Jones wanted. My interpretation of this is that Jones simply isn't confident that he can hang with the current best of the division. He wants a safe fight and a perfect record. Let's just not pretend this is the greatest challenge he could have accepted. Let's not pretend he's the undisputed HW champ.
Stipe should not fight Jon Jones anyways, give Jon the winner of Aspinall vs Blaydes, WTF is this "Stipe vs Jon" fight? then that's like Sean O'Malley should fight Domincik Cruz or Jose Aldo should fight Topuria, that fight is ridiculous and should not happen, Stipe vs Jon was a fight that was talked about since 2017, Stipe rn is 42 Years old and they almost fought November 2023 but Jon pulled out, like we should all move on, abandon ship, Jon vs the No. 1 HW contender is what should happen.
Edit: and also why you care about my account lasting long or no? why from all the things you could've said, you just chose to say obnoxious shit? why can't this forum have more respectful people? I just can't THIS...THIS...this forum, if you don't have any good things to say then shut your pie hole, just shut it and leave me alone.
Lol at James Tony would do well in today's HW, James isn't even an MMA fighter, and shut up with you saying Coleman and Randy would beat Gane, NO, you just being nostalgic and you want to shit on today's HW's, we're still in the early 2020's, I have a feeling when it's the 2030's, you will be like "HW's of 2020 was the best era of HW's" and also Gane is not Tim Sylvia, bro, and if you said "There are almost no well rounded HW's now and it's not debatable" why Jon was looking for a way to duck Pavlovich then? he also wants to duck Blaydes vs Aspinall winner, and also, he ducked Francis when he was the champion.
Also you said Gane was taken down by Francis, well Francis took down Stipe too who was the title holder, at least the Stipe that fought Francis was in his prime a little bit but Stipe of rn has past it as he's in his 40's and hasn't fought for a while so he's gonna have ring rust in his fight with Jon.
And also, like I said, most of the current ranked HW's haven't even hit their primes just yet before we can judge them, and we haven't seen more of them, so stop talking out of your mind.
Also you said "Jon would've had real problems with JDS, Cain, Barnett, Mir and Brock. Almost certainly loses to Reem, werdum and younger Stipe. Heck even volkov would give him issues." NO, JUST NO, YOU CASUAL, Jon would've beaten the HW's of the 2010's, today's HW's are stronger than of the 2010's and when they hit their primes, they'll be even more powerful than you could ever imagine, Jon beats almost HW, only guys like Aspinall or Francis would give him problems.
And also the thing you need to know about Jon, is that almost every fighter he fought lacked grappling, Glover, Smith and OSP are grapplers but not elite ones, DC just only excellent at RNC but when you gonna watch Jon fight an elite grappler, we'll finally see the MMA Emperor going down so yes actually prime Mousasi would've given Jon problems at LHW.
Lol at James Tony would do well in today's HW, James isn't even an MMA fighter, and shut up with you saying Coleman and Randy would beat Gane, NO, you just being nostalgic and you want to shit on today's HW's, we're still in the early 2020's, I have a feeling when it's the 2030's, you will be like "HW's of 2020 was the best era of HW's" and also Gane is not Tim Sylvia, bro, and if you said "There are almost no well rounded HW's now and it's not debatable" why Jon was looking for a way to duck Pavlovich then? he also wants to duck Blaydes vs Aspinall winner, and also, he ducked Francis when he was the champion.
Also you said Gane was taken down by Francis, well Francis took down Stipe too who was the title holder, at least the Stipe that fought Francis was in his prime a little bit but Stipe of rn has past it as he's in his 40's and hasn't fought for a while so he's gonna have ring rust in his fight with Jon.
And also, like I said, most of the current ranked HW's haven't even hit their primes just yet before we can judge them, and we haven't seen more of them, so stop talking out of your mind.
Also you said "Jon would've had real problems with JDS, Cain, Barnett, Mir and Brock. Almost certainly loses to Reem, werdum and younger Stipe. Heck even volkov would give him issues." NO, JUST NO, YOU CASUAL, Jon would've beaten the HW's of the 2010's, today's HW's are stronger than of the 2010's and when they hit their primes, they'll be even more powerful than you could ever imagine, Jon beats almost HW, only guys like Aspinall or Francis would give him problems.
And also the thing you need to know about Jon, is that almost every fighter he fought lacked grappling, Glover, Smith and OSP are grapplers but not elite ones, DC just only excellent at RNC but when you gonna watch Jon fight an elite grappler, we'll finally see the MMA Emperor going down so yes actually prime Mousasi would've given Jon problems at LHW.
HW 100% sucks, but James Tony? Come on man.
Crocop, Nog, Mir, Werdum, Cain, Brock, Randy, Sylvia, Overeem, TRT Bigfoot, JDS, would all easily be top5 HWs.
If Jailton Almeida can be top 5 lay and praying as an undersized grappler I see zero reason Mark Coleman couldn't do the same.
Past-prime Arlovski is still winning some fights cause he is fighting HW's that are out of the top 15, and also, I mean even there are some unranked HW's of today has beaten him but I'm not talking about HW's that are out of top 15, I'm talking about the top 15 bruh cause there's a reason why there is top 15 cause not all of the 45 HW's that are in the UFC can be top 15 bruh, same thing at LHW, MW, WW, LW, FW, BW, FLY...all divisions that has over 40 guys or plus in each division and can't make it top 15, this isn't something hard for even small little kids to understand. Also when you said " Even old ass Arlovski who has 60 fights and has been fighting since 1999 is 10-4 in your "much better HW of today"" who are exactly the HW's you were counting here? A lot of the top current ranked HW's are ranked and beat Arlovski, you act like as if the 2010's didn't have tomato cans as well? I mean there are Stefan Struve, Albini...etc just like how there are cans in every division no matter what era it is.Only casual noobs think the HW of today are better than the ones in 2010s so it clear what you are lol.
Anyone watching mma for more than a year or 2 recognizes that the HW division is absolutely trash. Casual know nothings as yourself don't understand that age damage takes a huge toll and it's why fighters can't fight forever at the same level.
Of course 2010s HW is better. Arlovski is still winning fights against the new "elite" monster hw division lol.
Jones was getting bullied by Arlovski in training during the 2010s and got bullied by Mir when they were messing around.
You clearly don't understand who styles clash either if you think Gane beats Randy and Coleman. Francis dominated Gane on the ground. He didn't do anything to Stipe. Fra his taking Stipe down
James Tony lost to a great wrestler. Most of the HW division has shitty wrestling and poor grappling overall.
When old shadow of Mark Hunt is able KO todays perennial top 10 Derrick Lewis it's painfully obvious that the skill at HW is just not there.
Wrestlers like Brock, Randy and even Coleman would toy with most HW today. Big Nog and Werdum would sub most of them.
Even old ass Arlovski who has 60 fights and has been fighting since 1999 is 10-4 in your "much better HW of today"
It's a joke. Prime Arlovski would likely be champ today. He and Reem bullied Jones in training when they were all at Jackson Wink. I suspect that's why Jon waited. Mir bullied him too.
You have to be a gullible know nothing to buy into the Jones HW hype LOL
Anyone who actually watches Jones fight knows that he does average at best against guys close to his size even when they're not world beaters like Reyes, Gus or Santos.
He does better vs more skilled opponents who give up a ton of height and reach which is why Mousasi as a threat is a joke. King MO beat him with wrestling. Jon would do the same.
If Mousasi was the size of Santos or Reyes then ya he probably would beat Jones but he's not. He was s small lhw
Past-prime Arlovski is still winning some fights cause he is fighting HW's that are out of the top 15, and also, I mean even there are some unranked HW's of today has beaten him but I'm not talking about HW's that are out of top 15, I'm talking about the top 15 bruh cause there's a reason why there is top 15 cause not all of the 45 HW's that are in the UFC can be top 15 bruh, same thing at LHW, MW, WW, LW, FW, BW, FLY...all divisions that has over 40 guys or plus in each division and can't make it top 15, this isn't something hard for even small little kids to understand. Also when you said " Even old ass Arlovski who has 60 fights and has been fighting since 1999 is 10-4 in your "much better HW of today"" who are exactly the HW's you were counting here? A lot of the top current ranked HW's are ranked and beat Arlovski, you act like as if the 2010's didn't have tomato cans as well? I mean there are Stefan Struve, Albini...etc just like how there are cans in every division no matter what era it is.
And I've been following MMA for more than 6 years now and combat sports as a whole since childhood, and also you said "Jon was being bullied by Arlovski and Mir in 2010" Jon was still starting and hasn't even in his prime and was a LHW and wasn't even a UFC Champion back then, plus that's sparring not real fighting also back in 2010 Arlovski and Mir were still a little bit in their primes but Jon either way prime or not he beats them in a real MMA fight.
And for why I think that today's HW's are better? it's because what GSP said back in 2021 that the athletes of today are normally better than of yesterday (notice he didn't say of the future cause in the future they'll maybe be way more shitty than of the past and even of today)
Also Francis took down Gane cause Francis has a much stronger wrestling than how may so many people all think, he took down Stipe who's a great wrestler, he stuffed Blaydes' takedowns
"Anyone who actually watches Jones fight knows that he does average at best against guys close to his size even when they're not world beaters like Reyes, Gus or Santos" LMAO, I can't, I just can't LMAO, wasn't OSP was like 6'3 or 6'4 and Jon still 50-44'd him? Santos is same height as Glover and Jon 50-45'd Glover, Smith is 6'3 and Jon 48-44'd him into a dominant decision win, Gane is 6'5 and Jon submitted him in round 1 but yeah it's because Gane lacks grappling and still hasn't hit his prime yet, so it takes a fighter with great grappling and same size as Jon to beat him but it doesn't mean that Arlovski or Mir would actually beat Jon in a real fighting cause you bring about 2010 in a year which Jon wasn't even champ and Arlovski and Mir were still healthier and not old smelly washed guys like rn plus that was sparring not real fighting.
And cause Gane lost to Francis and Jon so he losses to Randy or Coleman? Francis would do evil things to primes Randy or Coleman, also you said "Toney lost to a great wrestler" dude, that was in 2010 so Randy wasn't in his prime and still beat Toney's ass, also Toney is a boxer, any boxer that would come to MMA, MMA fighters would simply take him down and submit him, not all HW's are named Tim Sylvia, Timmeh was one of the HW's of the old era and was trash af
"Prime Arlovski would likely be champ today" Yeah, that's the guy that even in his prime, lost to Tim Sylvia, Ricco Rodriguez, Pedro Rizzo and these guys? or I'll say he wasn't in his prime when he lost to Ricco or Pedro cause he was inexperienced but he was in his prime when he fought Sylvia as he was champ, wasn't he? and Timmeh 2-1'd him in the UFC, and we know that Timmeh is the worst fighter that happened to be a UFC Champ that even a washed 50 Y/O Ray Mercer Knocked him tf out in an MMA bout, sit down.