Wing chun is a bad martial art.

[KrazyBee**]

And how would I know he is good?This is the thing that escapes me.

I know a good boxer, judo guy, karate guy etc. by his competition record.How would you spot a good WC guy?

BTW I think we are slowly coming to an agreement here.

Actually i'd say competition record doesnt matter so much in many cases - you want a good boxing coach a lot of them werent great fighters, guys like don familton, freddie roach, emmanuel stewart - didnt exactly rock worlds but they know how to make a fighter.

Grappling arts compete far more often and to a later age, so i'd say thats a good indicator there.

TMAs you need to be careful about - the majority of competition karateka hit like pussies and couldnt punch their way out of a paper bag. The place to look is the JKA All Japan and World Cup, and the Funakoshi cup - anything WKF is worth discounting cos its all bouncing and fannying around. Budo karateka are what you wanna look for.

Much the same with WC - when people put the competitive element into their martial arts training they started to train to those rules to the detriment of their fighting style - like how guys like Barret Yoshida and BJ Penn say people fight for points too much in BJJ nowadays.

I think a little research needs to be done into WC - you need to look for who are the most respected instructors in their community - TMArtists arent delusional and know a lot of guys milk the mystique - but they all know who the proper badasses are.

Look for respectable orgs etc amongst their community - like if im looking for a karate club i look for the names like JKA and KUGB, not things like TASK and TISKA

Its only through asking around you get to know who the good guys are and who are just milking moderate skills for money.

 

[mjw1]

I'd say Augustine Fong is probablly the if not one of the most respected wing chun guys in the US Welcome to Fong's Wing Chun Gung-Fu Federation

Then maybe Steve Lee Swift
Grandmasters Wing Chun: The Official Wing Chun Kung Fu Academy of Grandmaster Steve Lee Swift in Tampa, FL for Self Defense

For the US anyways

 

[Nefron]

So BJJ guys are only good on the ground?
So Judo guys are only good in the clinch?
So Karate guys are only good at a distance?
So Boxers are only good throwing punches?

What is your point?

My point is that the trapping range is not something to rely on.

Judo competition -> trying to throw an opponent to the ground and control or submit him

Karate competition -> (in more respected styles) trying to knock the oppoent out or trying to hit him more then he hits you (in point sparring crap)

Boxing competition -> trying to knock out your opponent by punching him

Chun competition -> pattycake?

 

[Nefron]

I'd say Augustine Fong is probablly the if not one of the most respected wing chun guys in the US Welcome to Fong's Wing Chun Gung-Fu Federation

Then maybe Steve Lee Swift
Grandmasters Wing Chun: The Official Wing Chun Kung Fu Academy of Grandmaster Steve Lee Swift in Tampa, FL for Self Defense

For the US anyways

Thanks, I will look into them.

BTW I just skimmed those site, and all I saw are choreographed demonstrations.

 

[Nefron]

Guys, would you agree with me on this one:

Wing Chun can be good enough for beating punks.

Wing Chun is,for the most part, inferior to BJJ, Judo, KK, MT, Sambo etc. both in the ring and on the street.

Do we agree on this one?

 

[411dd]

My point is that I'm a troll who is saying ubsurd things to try and start an argument.

Judo competition -> trying to throw an opponent to the ground and control or submit him

Karate competition -> (in more respected styles) trying to knock the oppoent out or trying to hit him more then he hits you (in point sparring crap)

Boxing competition -> trying to knock out your opponent by punching him

Chun competition -> pattycake?

Fixed.

Goodbye!

 

[BoAlambis]

Fixed.

Goodbye!

I'm with you bud.

 

[Too Defensive**]

Bruce Lee never denounced ANY martial art. Bruce Lee was a key component in changing the face of Wing Chun. Wing Chun is the foundation of JKD, they teach Wing Chun forms, battle punching, parries, traps. They even teach another form of Gung fu within most systems. Bruce Lee did what needed to be done. Modernize. He was one of the first to stop confining himself to rules within systems.

Wrong. He denounced plenty. Try again

 

[Too Defensive**]

Okay then.Can you name some of those great WC guys and link to their competition footage.

And all I asked is how do I spot a good WC guy.

Here we go again. If I tell you that Mr. XYZ is a Navy Seal and one of the most deadly fighters around, you would want to see his sporty competitive fighting record. Write this down 100x: sports does not equal real fighting!!

 

[Too Defensive**]

One of the first arguements people make for most bullshit arts such as wing chun is, oh well we train to strike to the throat or groin!!@!!!1 and act like that makes them some street self defense god. Guess what you stupid fucking kids, you dont have to be trained to fight dirty.

No. You fight how you train. Yes the MT guy has the ability to fight dirty. But most likely he is thinking jab, jab roundhouse when he gets confronted. If I am practicing my eye gouges every night for hours in the gym, or my throat rips, or penis twists, guess what I will be thinking when I get confronted??

 

[Nefron]

I'm with you bud.

You also can't spell?

Again, can we agree on this?

Wing Chun can be good enough for beating punks.

Wing Chun is,for the most part, inferior to BJJ, Judo, KK, MT, Sambo etc. both in the ring and on the street.

If I am practicing my eye gouges every night for hours in the gym, or my throat rips, or penis twists, guess what I will be thinking when I get confronted??

You are thinking about penises?

In which way are you practicing those penis twists?Do you grab your partners penis and twist it, while he ressists?Do you spar with penis twists?How experienced are you in handling a penis?

 

[Too Defensive**]

You are thinking about penises?

In which way are you practicing those penis twists?Do you grab your partners penis and twist it, while he ressists?Do you spar with penis twists?How experienced are you in handling a penis?

Tell you what, I send you the info on my gym. Try a couple classes to see if its right for you.

 

[Nefron]

Tell you what, I send you the info on my gym. Try a couple classes to see if its right for you.

I don't think we are on the same continent, but you are welcome to do it.

You could also answer my earlier question.I'm genuinely interested.

 

[Kestrel]

Wing Chun is just a bunch of people doing Tai Chi, except claiming it lethal. It is not an effective fighting system.

Shouldnt you be in School ?...

The Centreline, Balance and Technique in Wing Chun is PHENOMENAL
'it' has a LOT to teach, just not to the unteachable....

 

[Nefron]

Do you have any videos of that phenomenal Wing Chun in action?Not choreographed drills, but real fights.

 

[BoAlambis]

Nefron, you are a troll.

 

[EffeKt]

Wing Chun lol. This is a thread?

 

[Corey Kuropas]

It depends on how you train it. If you do forms/wooden dummy all day then you wont be an effective fighter. If you spar, and use applications it can work for you. I like some of the concepts of WC.

 

[D.R.H.]

Do we agree on this one?

No. You're contradicting yourself. If it's good enough for beating up punks, then it's proven for the street. If your asking if it's ideally suited for the ring, which is a sport, then sure, I'll give you that one.

 

[D.R.H.]

I'd say Augustine Fong is probablly the if not one of the most respected wing chun guys in the US Welcome to Fong's Wing Chun Gung-Fu Federation

Then maybe Steve Lee Swift
Grandmasters Wing Chun: The Official Wing Chun Kung Fu Academy of Grandmaster Steve Lee Swift in Tampa, FL for Self Defense

For the US anyways

Swift is a good dude, I trained there briefly in college. Studied up a bunch on Fong, his linear principles are good stuff.