Wing chun is a bad martial art.

[Nefron]

The effectiveness of an art, should not be gauged by it's effectiveness while in the boundaries of a ring and referree.

And how would you gauge it?

 

[MysticNinjaJay]

It sure does look good in the movies.

 

[Nefron]

They also have just as many weaknesses as Wing Chun though?[/quote=D.R.H.;34938246]

Absolutely no!They are excellent at their thing: grappling Judo, striking MT.ALL of them are done with aliveness and pressure tested against other arts in MMA and there are numerous evidence of it being used on the streets

 

[BoAlambis]

And how would you gauge it?

Lol are you really this much of an ass?

 

[KrazyBee**]

And how would you gauge it?

Dude the whole ultimate fighting championship was built around no rules and now its a sport. Things that work in the octagon dont instantly become battle tested street moves.

In the case of BJJ even royce gracie took at least a minute to submit most guys when it hit the ground - not exactly street effective.

Have you ever trained with a good WC guy? cos i've trained with some great kickboxers and a whole load of shit kickboxers. Giving something a blanket name like kickboxing allows anyone to teach and and have you believe it.

I always believe judgements should be reserved till you've seen the best in action.

Why do you think a BB in BJJ still means so much? cos they make you work fuck off hard for it - its easy to join a kickboxing gym or an MMA school and believe you're the baddest mutha fucka who ever walked the planet. A lot of these "effective in the street" discussions are delusional.

 

[Nefron]

Lol are you really this much of an ass?

I'm actually a really nice guy.I just hate people giving respect where respect is not due.

 

[BoAlambis]

I'm actually a really nice guy.I just hate people giving respect where respect is not due.

Then how about you read my WHOLE post instead of just quoting one sentence, and also follow it up with KrazyBees post.

 

[D.R.H.]

They also have just as many weaknesses as Wing Chun though?[/quote=D.R.H.;34938246]

Absolutely no!They are excellent at their thing: grappling Judo, striking MT.ALL of them are done with aliveness and pressure tested against other arts in MMA and there are numerous evidence of it being used on the streets

Seriously? Reread your first sentence. "They're all good at their thing." So is Wing Chun. You even admitted earlier Wing Chun could useful against street punks, so there goes that argument. I don't know about you, but I've noticed a trend of MMA schools starting to add trapping into their bag of tricks, so they must think there's something useful there as well. I'm begining to think you're just hating for the sake of hating at this point since it's the cool thing to do.

 

[KrazyBee**]

I'm actually a really nice guy.I just hate people giving respect where respect is not due.

Seriously - go train with a good WC guy, i dont think you know anything about it tbh.

MMA has produced this kind of snob culture where guys whove been taught to shoot in and tackle frown on anything else. Are you honestly saying that there arent a great many pure WC guys out there who could kick your arse in a street fight?

Sparring with 8 oz gloves on genuinely means jack shit to a real situation, you learn to cover up, you learn to hide behind them, unfortunately when you take the mittens off you usually realise theres holes in your movement and defence.

 

[Nefron]

In the case of BJJ even royce gracie took at least a minute to submit most guys when it hit the ground - not exactly street effective.

And the chunner got his face pounded in.

Boxers fight for 12 rounds because they are fightin OTHER TRAINED FIGHTERS.

 

[Nefron]

Seriously? Reread your first sentence. "They're all good at their thing." So is Wing Chun. You even admitted earlier Wing Chun could useful against street punks, so there goes that argument.

WAIT!STOP!

Wing Chun is maybe good enough against untrained fighters.I never claimed it wasn't.If that is the only use of Wing Chun its OK, but I think that say Judo will do that much better.

 

[Nefron]

Seriously - go train with a good WC guy, i dont think you know anything about it tbh.

And how would I know he is good?This is the thing that escapes me.

I know a good boxer, judo guy, karate guy etc. by his competition record.How would you spot a good WC guy?

BTW I think we are slowly coming to an agreement here.

 

[BSFT]

You know what else looks stupid? Just about anyone on the planet Shadowboxing.

lol, that's how i know i'm doing it right, when i feel like i look juuuust dumb enough!

 

[Nefron]

Guys, would you agree with me on this one:

Wing Chun can be good enough for beating punks.

Wing Chun is,for the most part, inferior to BJJ, Judo, KK, MT, Sambo etc. in building a fighter, both in the ring and on the street.

 

[411dd]

And how would I know he is good?This is the thing that escapes me.

I know a good boxer, judo guy, karate guy etc. by his competition record.How would you spot a good WC guy?

BTW I think we are slowly coming to an agreement here.

Most good WC is in china, just like before most good BJJ was in brazil and still is. And they do compete against one another, just like Judo karate etc. Just because you are not chinese speaking, and don't know much about it, does not give you the authority to critisize them.

 

[Nefron]

Most good WC is in china, just like before most good BJJ was in brazil and still is. And they do compete against one another, just like Judo karate etc. Just because you are not chinese speaking, and don't know much about it, does not give you the authority to critisize them.

Okay then.Can you name some of those great WC guys and link to their competition footage.

And all I asked is how do I spot a good WC guy.

 

[411dd]

Okay then.Can you name some of those great WC guys and link to their competition footage.

And all I asked is how do I spot a good WC guy.

I am not going to post the fight quest vid for you again. Samuel Kwok has very good WC, if you wanted to learn anything about it, which I'm sure you don't, watch him pracitcing Chi Sao against Ip Ching. WCers compete in trapping range.

Compare their technique to these two.

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[Nefron]

I am not going to post the fight quest vid for you again. Samuel Kwok has very good WC, if you wanted to learn anything about it, which I'm sure you don't, watch him pracitcing Chi Sao against Ip Chun. WCers compete in trapping range.

So they are only good at their limited range?

 

[411dd]

So they are only good at their limited range?

So are boxers and so are ground fighters.

 

[BoAlambis]

So they are only good at their limited range?

So BJJ guys are only good on the ground?
So Judo guys are only good in the clinch?
So Karate guys are only good at a distance?
So Boxers are only good throwing punches?

What is your point?