Wing chun is a bad martial art.

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In that video those are some of the longest ugliest hooks Ive ever seen.

-edit, in more of that guys videos the training partners he has throwing punches at him cant throw a punch. Its sad because you can tell chinaboxer has some decent looking punches/knowledge of boxing and he cant get a guy from his own school with the same knowledge to demo with, at least to make it more believable to viewers that box.

 

[Sinister]

or maybe these arts just weren't that good to begin with and with the recent increase in ability to transmit information and more competition between styles have created an environment where styles that aren't effective are exposed as such

Actually no. You'd do yourself to learn a bit of History. For instance, Ninjustu was rendered obsolete by Tokugawa's attempts to unify Japan. By the end of the feudal days, when Warlords were still employing Ninja to make assassinations for them, Tokugawa was smart enough to end up putting them on the payroll doing the tasks they usually did, but as security as well. When times of peace were more prevalent, the Art became more practiced for basic Historical preservation than anything else.

But to suggest such arts were "discovered" to be useless because of Combat Sport arenas is just plain silly.

 

[BoAlambis]

Actually no. You'd do yourself to learn a bit of History. For instance, Ninjustu was rendered obsolete by Tokugawa's attempts to unify Japan. By the end of the feudal days, when Warlords were still employing Ninja to make assassinations for them, Tokugawa was smart enough to end up putting them on the payroll doing the tasks they usually did, but as security as well. When times of peace were more prevalent, the Art became more practiced for basic Historical preservation than anything else.

But to suggest such arts were "discovered" to be useless because of Combat Sport arenas is just plain silly.

lol i'm glad somebody pointed this out...

you know that America is really the proving grounds for every type of martial arts

 

[pimpstrocity]

This.If the art needs so much adaptation its clearly bullshit.

Everybody Wing Chun tonight!

smart man, its bullshit

wing chun is just another case of trying to give people a false sense of badassery

chain punches for the win, nothing says good martial art like throwing punches completely from the shoulder!

 

[pimpstrocity]

lol i'm glad somebody pointed this out...

you know that America is really the proving grounds for every type of martial arts

yea and the model t was the beginning of cars, is it gonna out run the cars of today just because at one point in time it was the best we had?

and there is never mma in japan, brazil, or any other area where the arts I mentioned also dominate

 

[Inquisitus]

This was an interesting video on Wing Chun vs another style.





Jimmy is admonished by the other guy to use chain punches instead of boxing punches because of the rules. Jimmy is clearly beating the WC guy but with long punches (ie "boxing" punches).

Now, the other guy is significantly smaller and obviously, Jimmy has some boxing training. But i thought it was the closest i've seen to a WC sparring "freestyle".

 

[Sinister]

yea and the model t was the beginning of cars, is it gonna out run the cars of today just because at one point in time it was the best we had?

and there is never mma in japan, brazil, or any other area where the arts I mentioned also dominate

No one is saying that there aren't bullshit MA practitioners in the World, just that your particular argument is weak, and so is posting videos of people doing the absolute most basic movements contained within said Art. I mean, if I wanted to talk about what nonsense Boxing is, I could point out what I think are all it's flaws, I could point to the wane of it in America, and post one of the umpteen videos of someone hitting a heavy bag very badly that are up on Youtube.

If you're going to argue against an Art's validity, just do a better job.

 

[aznraven]

No one is saying that there aren't bullshit MA practitioners in the World, just that your particular argument is weak, and so is posting videos of people doing the absolute most basic movements contained within said Art. I mean, if I wanted to talk about what nonsense Boxing is, I could point out what I think are all it's flaws, I could point to the wane of it in America, and post one of the umpteen videos of someone hitting a heavy bag very badly that are up on Youtube.

If you're going to argue against an Art's validity, just do a better job.

hear hear! I don't have much of an opinion for wing chun cause i've never sparred with anything from that background but these "information" threads are just annoying. Looking at the videos posted, I can tell that those are stretching/warm-up exercises, maybe with some basic movements...

In theory wingchun has always looked good, keep a fist in your opponent's face at all times and don't allow retaliation...might not work but the punches are definitely not useless at a high level, demonstrated on human weapon, made his student throw up over the great wall of china lol...

Whether the system can make a punch land is another matter in itself.

Also, any art that allows practitioners to continue doing up to 85 years old is good good good in my opinion, remember, not everything is about knocking each other's teeth out...

 

[Mickey Oneil]

Whatever works dude. If a person can pull it off then so be it. People used to say that about karate. Who's the undefeated champ? I wouldn't necessarily say that the system is useless as much as it's more dependent on how the school and the practitioner trains. Saying that you don't need to train to fight dirty is like saying you don't need to train to effectively use dirty boxing. Everything has their place, and you need to train hard to reach a desired outcome.

This=end of argument

 

[206warrior]

Wing Chun is just a bunch of people doing Tai Chi, except claiming it lethal. It is not an effective fighting system.

 

[pimpstrocity]

Whatever works dude. If a person can pull it off then so be it. People used to say that about karate. Who's the undefeated champ? I wouldn't necessarily say that the system is useless as much as it's more dependent on how the school and the practitioner trains. Saying that you don't need to train to fight dirty is like saying you don't need to train to effectively use dirty boxing. Everything has their place, and you need to train hard to reach a desired outcome.

no one mentioned karate? I have a high opinion of shotokan and kk... is wing chun in such a bad place that you have to cite other arts success despite some opposition to try to argue that wing chun could be a good style? does brock lesnar's success mean that other hated fighters will have success just because he did?

wing chun is one of those old school styles that did only one thing, bred students good at one thing, fighting other students of the same style

 

[pimpstrocity]

Wing Chun is just a bunch of people doing Tai Chi, except claiming it lethal. It is not an effective fighting system.

Exactly, never trust an art that has students claiming its too dangerous to be used in competition.

 

[BoAlambis]

I actually hold Tai Chi to a higher level than most any other art.

I'm one of those that has a certain distaste for the type of people that Karate breeds. Those people are arrogant asses. And considering the ones that I have been lucky enough to spar with (I do consider atleast that, an honor), it also breeds particularly defenseless people.

 

[Michael Wanaka]

You know what else looks stupid? Just about anyone on the planet Shadowboxing.

Yep, pretty much always looks stupid :icon_chee

 

[BoAlambis]

Yep, pretty much always looks stupid :icon_chee

I always wonder how many innocent ghosts end up getting their asses kicked

 

[pimpstrocity]

I actually hold Tai Chi to a higher level than most any other art.

I'm one of those that has a certain distaste for the type of people that Karate breeds. Those people are arrogant asses. And considering the ones that I have been lucky enough to spar with (I do consider atleast that, an honor), it also breeds particularly defenseless people.

Want to explain whats so wonderful about tai chi?

As for karate that is a pretty broad term. KK and shotokan both put out some very tough fighters, where as most of the arrogant types come from bullshit karate schools in a strip mall where they dont spar at all or use only extremely light sparring, and/or spend a majority of their time doing forms. Not saying karate doesn't produce a lot of assholes, but the term karate in and of itself is not specific.

 

[BoAlambis]

Want to explain whats so wonderful about tai chi?

As for karate that is a pretty broad term. KK and shotokan both put out some very tough fighters, where as most of the arrogant types come from bullshit karate schools in a strip mall where they dont spar at all or use only extremely light sparring, and/or spend a majority of their time doing forms. Not saying karate doesn't produce a lot of assholes, but the term karate in and of itself is not specific.

I should have been more direct, Shotokan karate.

If you do not know what is great about Tai Chi, I cannot explain it to you. Qigong, chakras, internal energy, anyhing ring a bell?

 

[pimpstrocity]

I should have been more direct, Shotokan karate.

If you do not know what is great about Tai Chi, I cannot explain it to you. Qigong, chakras, internal energy, anyhing ring a bell?

Vaguely, so what about things revolving around breathing and circular motions promoting ki uptake have to do with this thread? If you were talking about from a health, spiritual, or peace finding aspect I might understand more.

Another question, as far as ki whats your understand of what it is and what do you think about it?

 

[The Purist]

Bruce Lee never denounced ANY martial art. Bruce Lee was a key component in changing the face of Wing Chun. Wing Chun is the foundation of JKD, they teach Wing Chun forms, battle punching, parries, traps. They even teach another form of Gung fu within most systems. Bruce Lee did what needed to be done. Modernize. He was one of the first to stop confining himself to rules within systems.

 

[411dd]

Wing Chun is not effective? Carlson Gracie disagrees.

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Here it is owning a Kickboxer in training

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Here it is owning a fighter in a ring.

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How can you be so certan that WC doesn't work in mma if it's never been tried before?


TS,

you are a hater and a Troll. Go back under your bridge. Style bashing to the extent that you take it should be considered troll behavior, like fighter bashing, and a banable offense.

All,

If you want to learn something about real WC watch the vids, not the anti wing chun propoganda vids posted by TS. You may also find other Samuel Kwok(The official rep of WC in america from hong kong.) vids online.