Why was Cro Cop such a disappointment in the UFC?

[revoltub]

The ring vs cage excuse is so tired and dumb.

You don't lose all of your skill just because you went from a ring to a cage.

 

[TheShogunner]

Not sure there's a definitive answer to this but my guess would be a combination of age, drugs, cage vs ring, and the gonzaga kick from hell

 

[Bamboozled]

Because all those assholes who spent years extolling the virtues of pride while putting down the UFC we dead wrong.

Is that why Nog became champ? Is that why Shogun became Champ? Is that why Anderson became champ? Is that why Rampage became champ? Is that why Werdum became champ?

 

[pbateman]

believe it or not, innernette warriors, fighting takes confidence.,and when Cro Cop was brutally KO'd by Gonzaga, he lost all of his, and it showed in all of his fights. shit like that happens with fighters, no one's invincible, and a huge loss like that stays with you. not everyone has a perfect career.

not to mention he was in over 100 fights by the time he got to the ufc... name some fighters still in their prime after 100 fights, go ahead, i'll wait

 

[blacknblue104]

Elbows on the ground, dealing with the fence/cage, and no knees/kicks on the ground make a big difference.

The elbows on the ground definitely had a big impact in his fight against Gonzaga and being stuck on the fence played a big role in his loss to Kongo (as well as nutshots lol).

 

[Bamboozled]

The ring vs cage excuse is so tired and dumb.

You don't lose all of your skill just because you went from a ring to a cage.

You do if you're reliant on cutting off angles and forcing people into poor positions like Cro Cop was. Try knowing shit about striking before you say such ignorant shit.

 

[revoltub]

You do if you're reliant on cutting off angles and forcing people into poor positions like Cro Cop was. Try knowing shit about striking before you say such ignorant shit.

Other guys didn't have trouble. And Gonzaga Ko'd CC in the center of the cage.

But keep making excuses.

 

[Bamboozled]

Other guys didn't have trouble. And Gonzaga Ko'd CC in the center of the cage.

But keep making excuses.

BECAUSE CRO COP DIDNT HAVE A GOOD ANGLE TO MAKE HIS STRIKES SAFER OR SET UP GONZAGA. HE HAD MORE SPACE TO DEAL WITH AND GOT KO'D NOT KNOWING WHAT TO DO

 

[revoltub]

BECAUSE CRO COP DIDNT HAVE A GOOD ANGLE TO MAKE HIS STRIKES SAFER OR SET UP GONZAGA. HE HAD MORE SPACE TO DEAL WITH AND GOT KO'D NOT KNOWING WHAT TO DO

Lol whatever you say pal

 

[Bamboozled]

Lol whatever you say pal

spend less time on sherdog and more time in the gym. I've paid my dues for years.

 

[revoltub]

spend less time on sherdog and more time in the gym. I've paid my dues for years.

You can keep making the "cage" excuse and ill stay here in the real world.

 

[Bamboozled]

You can keep making the "cage" excuse and ill stay here in the real world.

I bet your ass isn't coordinated enough to to properly throw a 1-2.

 

[revoltub]

I bet your ass isn't coordinated enough to to properly throw a 1-2.

I can throw it in a ring, but the cage affects my angles.

 

[MaureenCretis]

He never looked comfortable to me in the octogan. He was more suited to the ring I believe.

I seem to recall reading something he said to that exact effect.

 

[blacknblue104]

love the revisionist history.

Remember, back when UFC was #2, Dana White was bringing prime Chuck Liddell to carry the UFC flag in Pride to prove the UFC could hang with Pride.



And Dana even got to sit on commentary for Chuck vs Rampage praising his own UFC. It was kind of funny to hear him get more and more dejected as the fight went on, as it became clear his big gun Chuck Liddell was about to get eliminated in the semi finals via towel throw. This was before Dana was filthy rich and Dana made a $250000 bet liddell would win lol.

lmfao exactly...it's like people forget that Rampage beat a prime version of Chuck, then beat him again when he was champion. Not to mention Anderson destroying the UFC MW division, Nog beating Sylvia and Couture, Fedor beating Arlovski, and Werdum beating Gonzaga/ Vera.

Nog, Rampage, Shogun, Werdum all won UFC World Titles, not to mention guys like Henderson, Melendez and Overeem who have challenged for titles.

 

[ZOD66]

I was reading an article which had some quotes by him about his UFC career a few weeks ago, and he said that even he was unable to properly explain why he had underperformed so much. I mean, he won the 2006 OWGP (best version of him ever) literally less than 5 months before he made his UFC debut against Sanchez, and only 2 months after that he was fighting Gonzaga, a guy that hasn't exactly proven to be some world beater since that fight. Then he lost to Kongo and thst was the end of his initial UFC tenure.

Can someone (without bashing him) provide any legitimate reasons why he performed like this?

Because he start to be political and one time he was sitting in there with them and talk about problems and every day you could see him on tv sitting there and listening others political parties fighting each other with words and time fuck him to because it's easier to go to Japan then USA and also he probably stop using steroids just like Djokovic after those Russians fall on Olympic games 2016

 

[Kinosis]

For the same reason virtually every legend past 32 years old is a disappointment, he got old. He was already starting to go downhill in Pride and had lost 2 of his last 3 before the OWGP started. People have to remember, while it was cool, in the OWGP he only beat Minowa (185 lbs fighter), Yoshida (a guy who could have/did fight at 205 lbs), and the 205 lbs champ. The only heavyweight he beat was Barnett, who he had already beat twice and he won this one after Barnett had a much tougher first round and won by eye poke.

Fighting in the cage, where he didn't have corners to pin people didn't help any either. Later, he realized he couldn't use his kick all the time anymore like he used to because he was slower, so he changed his style and started using elbows standing and on the ground. Those elbows helped him beat guys like Ishii and Gonzaga. It also gave people more to worry about and opened up opportunities to use his kick again.

 

[Your Account]

Roy was lucky he escaped CroCop's revenge tour. Although Schaub KOd CroCop he knew what he can expect in a rematch
Gonzaga accepted the opportunity to be convinced in Krakow Arena.
I think CroCops main issue was ring to octagon adaptation

 

[Kinosis]

Elbows on the ground, dealing with the fence/cage, and no knees/kicks on the ground make a big difference.

The elbows on the ground definitely had a big impact in his fight against Gonzaga and being stuck on the fence played a big role in his loss to Kongo (as well as nutshots lol).

I have no clue how Kongo didn't get DQ'd or lose a point for all of those nut shots. And not just against Cro Cop, he did it to everyone all the time. Kongo loved his nut shots like Jones loves his eye pokes.

 

[snackgod]

I was reading an article which had some quotes by him about his UFC career a few weeks ago, and he said that even he was unable to properly explain why he had underperformed so much. I mean, he won the 2006 OWGP (best version of him ever) literally less than 5 months before he made his UFC debut against Sanchez, and only 2 months after that he was fighting Gonzaga, a guy that hasn't exactly proven to be some world beater since that fight. Then he lost to Kongo and thst was the end of his initial UFC tenure.

Can someone (without bashing him) provide any legitimate reasons why he performed like this?

maybe he didn't take things seriously in the ufc,.