Why Sambo wrestling destroys American wrestling (Khabib Sons the WW division)

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

You are delusional if you think BJJ is a better grappling base than Sambo which incorporates both the submission technicality of BJJ / Catch / Luta / whatever and a wrestling style that is supplemented with all sorts of grappling techniques.

Also folkstyle and freestyle, doesn't matter, they both retain the same grappling weaknesses clearly demonstrated against a TOTALITY based grappling style.

All grappling styles have weaknesses except for in Sambo because Sambo grappling is MMA grappling, you said yourself, MMA is the base of MMA.

Lol Sambo sucks

If Khabib didn't exist you wouldn't even be making this retarded argument

 

[UFCHasNoPride]

Lol Sambo sucks

If Khabib didn't exist you wouldn't even be making this retarded argument

Its not about Sambo. Its about a comprehensive grappling martial art form. Folkstyle and freestyle wrestling are clearly not that thing, nor is BJJ.

Sambo is the closest thing out there in the world right now. If you can't see that then you don't know martial arts.

You are sir is the one who sucks

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

You are delusional if you think BJJ is a better grappling base than Sambo which incorporates both the submission technicality of BJJ / Catch / Luta / whatever and a wrestling style that is supplemented with all sorts of grappling techniques.

Also folkstyle and freestyle, doesn't matter, they both retain the same grappling weaknesses clearly demonstrated against a TOTALITY based grappling style.

All grappling styles have weaknesses except for in Sambo because Sambo grappling is MMA grappling, you said yourself, MMA is the base of MMA.

U know it's really hard to take you seriously when you don't know what your talking about...
No Competing in sambo will not get u a better grappling base than bjj. you're not even allowed to choke people, and combat sambo is not for sport so mma is out of the question, and that's one reason out of many others. Just cause it has strikes doesnt make it better either, it just means u get used to shit striking like having a karate base.

Moreover, you wear a fucking gi jacket, which you're allowed to grab, with less restriction than judo.
No Gi BJJ exists and it's very developed away from its counterparts.
If your style relies on gi based throws it'll be a horrible transition to mma.

I could go on, but come on now, you called american wrestling freestyle and now trying to play it cool. How about you do ur research next time before you embaress yourself.

and no Sambo is not MMA... if you wanna be an MMA fighter today, join an MMA gym. not a weird box-judo combo.

 

[swiftasthewind]

al scrambled pretty well with habib

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Its not about Sambo. Its about a comprehensive grappling martial art form. Folkstyle and freestyle wrestling are clearly not that thing, nor is BJJ.

Sambo is the closest thing out there in the world right now. If you can't see that then you don't know martial arts.

You are sir is the one who sucks

You realize nobody in MMA including Khabib trains Sambo right?

Why do you think people bring in Boxers, Wrestlers, Jiu Jitsu Players, Kickboxers etc., but not Sambo guys?

They don't do anything especially well, they're in their own little world honestly

You Sambo guys are weird, kinda like the guys that are obsessed with Catch Wrestling

 

[UFCHasNoPride]

U know it's really hard to take you seriously when you don't know what your talking about...
No Competing in sambo will not get u a better grappling base than bjj. you're not even allowed to choke people, and combat sambo is not for sport so mma is out of the question, and that's one reason out of many others. Just cause it has strikes doesnt make it better either, it just means u get used to shit striking like having a karate base.

Moreover, you wear a fucking gi jacket, which you're allowed to grab, with less restriction than judo.
No Gi BJJ exists and it's very developed away from its counterparts.
If your style relies on gi based throws it'll be a horrible transition to mma.

I could go on, but come on now, you called american wrestling freestyle and now trying to play it cool. How about you do ur research next time before you embaress yourself.

and no Sambo is not MMA... if you wanna be an MMA fighter today, join an MMA gym. not a weird box-judo combo.

Dude, again, freestyle is the international wrestling style thats the only reason I used it. The miniscule differences it has with folkstyle has no baring to my argument because they literally have the same problem which are blind spots in grappling.

My argument has nothing to do with these technicalities that have no baring on anything. I'm right in the argument.

Forget sambo. Again, its about comprehensive grappling art form which best exists in sambo atm because it literally uses all the effective grappling techniques in an MMA setting. Who cares about gi's, they can run no gi sambo tournies and you're argument would be out the door.

 

[UFCHasNoPride]

You realize nobody in MMA including Khabib trains Sambo right?

Why do you think people bring in Boxers, Wrestlers, Jiu Jitsu Players, Kickboxers etc., but not Sambo guys?

They don't do anything especially well, they're in their own little world honestly

You Sambo guys are weird, kinda like the guys that are obsessed with Catch Wrestling

Why are you asking me? Ask the DORK american MMA gyms.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

U know it's really hard to take you seriously when you don't know what your talking about...
No Competing in sambo will not get u a better grappling base than bjj. you're not even allowed to choke people, and combat sambo is not for sport so mma is out of the question, and that's one reason out of many others. Just cause it has strikes doesnt make it better either, it just means u get used to shit striking like having a karate base.

Moreover, you wear a fucking gi jacket, which you're allowed to grab, with less restriction than judo.
No Gi BJJ exists and it's very developed away from its counterparts.
If your style relies on gi based throws it'll be a horrible transition to mma.

I could go on, but come on now, you called american wrestling freestyle and now trying to play it cool. How about you do ur research next time before you embaress yourself.

and no Sambo is not MMA... if you wanna be an MMA fighter today, join an MMA gym. not a weird box-judo combo.

He just thinks Sambo includes elements of striking and grappling so, therefore, it's more like MMA than wrestling, so, therefore, it's better... who knows maybe he's 10 lol

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Why are you asking me? Ask the DORK american MMA gyms.

Hahahahahahahaha you think you're smarter than the guys running American MMA gyms?

You realize Khabib does his camps at AKA in America, right? He doesn't go there to train Sambo dummy

 

[NDiaz209]

Its no coincidence these wrestlers that are hailed as Gods get consistently destroyed when they come up against Dagestani Caucus muscle.

The biggest problem is the coaches in American wrestling are obsessed with physical prowess and athleticism. Its like a fetish. No wonder the collegiate system is filled with weirdo pedo trainers like in Penn state. Just look at their takedowns, its all out of sheer power and speed, no emphasis on IQ or technique.

Contrast this with Eastern block wrestling, which foregoes physicality for IQ and technique. Judo throws, sweeps and trips, Japanese Jiujitsu type control of the opponents body and overall wider fluid weaponry in terms of takedowns than boring old double leg, shooting down low, german suplexes YAWN.

Then once the guy is taken down, American wrestling is just get the dude on his knees and hump him down and just not let him get up. Lay and pray. YAWN. Sambo, once hes down, look at Khabib, constantly moving, constantly transitioning to better positions, looking to trap and completely immobilise his opponents, Sambo's even got BJJ submissions, guard work, top control, transitioning EVERYTHING.

Usman, Colby, Woodley and Gaithje are DORKS. Khabib smokes all four without even breaking a sweat. Usman and Colby were so unconfident in their own grappling abilities, they both decide not to engage in their STRENGTH and put on that embarrassment of amateur striking. You think Khabib would refuse a grappling challenge with ANYONE? Please. WW is just as easier of a division for Khabib than LW. Khabib dominates Usman who is a discount Khabib and worse than him everywhere including striking. Colby is a joke. Woodley if he can use his TDD and physicality and GSP style the fight, its a maybe.

Dan Henderson easily escaped the top position of the best Sambo specialist ever in MMA (Fedor) then knocked him the fuck out.

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

He just thinks Sambo includes elements of striking and grappling so, therefore, it's more like MMA than wrestling, so, therefore, it's better... who knows maybe he's 10 lol

If he is, he's not getting a scholarship neither for sports nor his grades. till his dad to start saving.
Nicest thing i said about him today.

 

[UFCHasNoPride]

Dan Henderson easily escaped the top position of the best Sambo specialist ever in MMA (Fedor) then knocked him the fuck out.

As pointed out by someone else, Sambo is a multi form martial art, so the best sambo practitioner could be more of a striker or a grappler or a balance. You dorks are mistaking my argument as to "Sambo is ALLGOD", my argument is Sambo retains a more well rounded comprehensive grappling skills for the sport of MMA than other grappling martial arts. Also pointed out by someone else the fighter makes the discipline, so if you have a shit sambo fighter vs a good freestyle wrestler, then yeah the freestyle wrestler will win, but that says nothing about the discipline itself.

 

[UFCHasNoPride]

Hahahahahahahaha you think you're smarter than the guys running American MMA gyms?

You realize Khabib does his camps at AKA in America, right? He doesn't go there to train Sambo dummy

No Khabib is there to show the dorks how to train in real martial arts and maybe hone his weakness in striking from the American KICKBOXING Academy.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

No Khabib is there to show the dorks how to train in real martial arts and maybe hone his weakness in striking from the American KICKBOXING Academy.

He goes there for MMA camps lol

I've seen a ton of videos of him wrestling there... none with him wearing a kimono and shorts because that would be fucking stupid <45>

 

[UFCHasNoPride]

He goes there for MMA camps lol

I've seen a ton of videos of him wrestling there... none with him wearing a kimono and shorts because that would be fucking stupid <45>

 

[Doug Money]

Usman striking is impressive. Consistent power, good speed, good pressure and can maintain it for 5 straight.

Not sure if serious

 

[mjfan23]

Agreed!! But you have to keep in mind you are comparing them to amateur American wrestlers. Compare them to professional wrestlers like world heavy weight and or open weight wrestling champions like CM Punk, Brock, Ronda and lashley all those sambo practitioners you mentioned are bums!

 

[UFCHasNoPride]

Agreed!! But you have to keep in mind you are comparing them to amateur American wrestlers. Compare them to professional wrestlers like world heavy weight and or open weight wrestling champions like CM Punk, Brock, Ronda and lashley all those sambo practitioners you mentioned are bums!

Ric Flair is a 16 time world champion across multiple promotions. Imagine if Fedor was a pride, ufc, bellator, strikeforce, affliction, bodog, M1 champion.

 

[NDiaz209]

As pointed out by someone else, Sambo is a multi form martial art, so the best sambo practitioner could be more of a striker or a grappler or a balance. You dorks are mistaking my argument as to "Sambo is ALLGOD", my argument is Sambo retains a more well rounded comprehensive grappling skills for the sport of MMA than other grappling martial arts. Also pointed out by someone else the fighter makes the discipline, so if you have a shit sambo fighter vs a good freestyle wrestler, then yeah the freestyle wrestler will win, but that says nothing about the discipline itself.

I'll say it again... Slowly... So you can understand it. The BEST SAMBO PRACTITIONER EVER IN MMA got outgrappled and knocked out by a middleweight. Your entire thread is /.

 

[WhosTheBoss]

Colby would make easy work of Khabib

Khabib probably smashes Usman though

Who the F are you people? Do you even watch MMA or just google random names and draw sentences out of a hat.

usman and Colby are nearly identical, with usman being stronger. if you think Colby beats Khabib, it’s HIGHLY likely usman would win

I’d bet heavily for usman.