Why PRIDE is the greatest thing in MMA history.

You just ignored all the awesome things in Pride:)

Don't be a negative Nancy:)

I never said Pride was perfect, I just said it's the greatest thing that ever happened in MMA:)

Didn't ignore anything.

You have to look at the whole package, not just the good points.

And because of that, it's not the greatest.
 
PRIDE was the golden years 100% I probably wouldnt watch MMA if it was not for the years I spent watching PRIDE
 
While I agree that PRIDE had the opportunity to showcase how different martial arts would fare against the other, I think the main difference between UFC now and PRIDE then is that UFC fighters are no longer specialists in only 1 thing, now I'm not saying there's no MMA guys in PRIDE, I simply believe they were not as good or facing as good of a competition as what we witnessed.

When I'm thinking about guys like GSP, Jones and a bunch of others, I just have a hard time seeing the equivalent in PRIDE. When I look at the PRIDE guys, I can't help but think that many of them weren't as elite as some pretend. They were elite at the time, because there wasn't many people, look at Fedor's shape when he fought, look at Wanderlei's performance in the UFC, I think it's easy to say that there's place for much improvement. The UFC HW division has PRIDE fighters in it, but it's because it's always been a weak division, not necessarily because of PRIDE's eliteness.

Yes, PRIDE is at HW, PRIDE answered many questions, PRIDE most likely provided a great show too, but I still don't feel like it's the cream of the cream, it's an era where there were too many experts of one thing, which is easy to take advantage of when you're able to mix it up (Fedor), but UFC is no longer at this stage, which is normal too.

And LOL@W"MMA" being exciting because it's new. The only thing exciting about W"MMA" is to see if one girl can finally defend an armbar or if she can throw a jab correctly. If you want this kind of excitement, I suggest training apprentice fighters.
 
After all these years what stands out to me was the talent pool and especially the Pride rules, and I also think the ring made for better fights.

All the pageantry seems pretty silly in hindsight but it made for fun shows and it was very Japanese. It wouldn't work in this part of the world.
 
Do they have to ? Current top UFC fighters wrecks Pride legends in their primes.

Lmao that's why Werdum is champ, and plenty of old ass past their prime Pride legends are competitive in the UFC at the moment? Even Shogun, who already looked like crap in 2007 managed to win the belt.

Current fighters being magically that much better than the best Pride fighters up to 2006 is a total myth. You're probably one of those idiots who thought Cain was the greatest HW of all time after he beat JDS up. The UFC roster only has an edge in the lower weight classes compared to what Pride had at its best.
 
I think the UFC broadcast format needs to be revamped. It's very boring at this point.

Also part of the evolution of mma has made the sport more boring. Everyone is too well rounded and I think it's obvious when you watch older fights that the ground game isn't nearly at technical as it used to be. Pride regularly matched up elite submission specialists and if you've ever trained BJJ it's pretty obvious how much more technical the ground game used to be


Agree. Another thing is the rules, scoring and the cage. Unified rules and the cage don't give as many fighting options as the ring and Pride rules did. In Pride ground fights were crazy, but now it seems that the moment someone is taken down, the guy on top is elbowing him and the guy on the bottom can't defend himself and gets finished quickly or cut.
 
People just cling on to Proid because of nostalgia. The game is at a much higher level today with virtually all the top players under one umbrella.

Sorry, UFC is better.

Thats not what I take about from the post. The UFC shat all over Pride due to freak show fights and 'lower level' talent. I understand this because hey
 
false. many of the pride events were boring snoozefests. and they all didn't have the huge entrances. especially the early ones.



This guy is praising Leko....he went 0-3 in MMA and lost all his fights in the first round in under 1:35.

All that proved was that a kick boxer with "2 years ground game" can get submitted in 30 seconds in an mma fight.

UFC 1 proved that.

Uhuh.

CC disagreed, then Leko hoped to follow suit. I was excited, but then Ogawa dropped him with punches FFS and of course he submitted him. He was far superior on the ground.

Pride only gave him high level grapplers. He wasn't strong enough.

But being smart after the fact is easy.

When Leko fought Ogawa you knew nothing except what I wrote.

What the fight showed is another thing.

But you didn't know how the fight will go.

Couture vs Toney was the same. Everybody was a smart as* after Couture submitted Toney, but before the fight we couldn't have known what would happen.

What if Toney had good TDD and KOed Couture? What if Couture didn't shoot in 0,000006 second?

It's easy to be a revisionist.
 
Why argue with you at all though? You're so easy to make fun of!

When we have argued in the past, your thread was deleted because you went on some Hitler sympathy rant on Sherdog. And even that was the same old boring predictable drivel you could read anywhere
 
Didn't ignore anything.

You have to look at the whole package, not just the good points.

And because of that, it's not the greatest.

If not it then what ? ufc lol.

Pride ped policy was far better, if true any one could use what ever for the most part.

Pride was fair, ufc is just a bunch of cheaters.

Whole package Pride beats any fighting anywhere in the last 100 years, even surpassing the spectacle of the golden 20s of boxing.
 
Couture was a -700 favorite.....most people knew how it would go.
 
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Lol we all know where your serious discussions lead!

As I said:)

Only jellousy would make you write something like this:)

When you say something about me that isn't true, I write down what is true:)

I don't bend over to haters missy:)

The more you will act like you know me, the more I will write about me:)
 
I disagree, but I just came in here to see kikikhan do what he does best: talk about the past
 
While I agree that PRIDE had the opportunity to showcase how different martial arts would fare against the other, I think the main difference between UFC now and PRIDE then is that UFC fighters are no longer specialists in only 1 thing, now I'm not saying there's no MMA guys in PRIDE, I simply believe they were not as good or facing as good of a competition as what we witnessed.

When I'm thinking about guys like GSP, Jones and a bunch of others, I just have a hard time seeing the equivalent in PRIDE. When I look at the PRIDE guys, I can't help but think that many of them weren't as elite as some pretend. They were elite at the time, because there wasn't many people, look at Fedor's shape when he fought, look at Wanderlei's performance in the UFC, I think it's easy to say that there's place for much improvement. The UFC HW division has PRIDE fighters in it, but it's because it's always been a weak division, not necessarily because of PRIDE's eliteness.

Yes, PRIDE is at HW, PRIDE answered many questions, PRIDE most likely provided a great show too, but I still don't feel like it's the cream of the cream, it's an era where there were too many experts of one thing, which is easy to take advantage of when you're able to mix it up (Fedor), but UFC is no longer at this stage, which is normal too.

And LOL@W"MMA" being exciting because it's new. The only thing exciting about W"MMA" is to see if one girl can finally defend an armbar or if she can throw a jab correctly. If you want this kind of excitement, I suggest training apprentice fighters.

You are missing the little FACT that explains why today's fighters are more well rounded, but also not as good at certain aspect.

I can't really discuss wellroundedness under the unified rules, because they don't represent wellroundedness at it's finest.

In Pride era, it was much much harder to become wellrounded and fighters needed to put things together and create.

Now they just copy what those guys put together.

Also Pride HWs took wellroundedness as high as it gets.

And when HWs are wellrounded it's the highest level of the sport.

Pride developed elite wellroundedness.

Other promotions helped too of course, but in Pride everything came together.
 
Lmao that's why Werdum is champ, and plenty of old ass past their prime Pride legends are competitive in the UFC at the moment? Even Shogun, who already looked like crap in 2007 managed to win the belt.

Current fighters being magically that much better than the best Pride fighters up to 2006 is a total myth. You're probably one of those idiots who thought Cain was the greatest HW of all time after he beat JDS up. The UFC roster only has an edge in the lower weight classes compared to what Pride had at its best.

Pride took HW and LHW divisions to it's peaks and it died before developing other divisons as much.

But the alpha males sorted things out in Pride. Which is the most important thing in fighting. There was also no upper weight limit at HW.
 
If not it then what ? ufc lol.

Pride ped policy was far better, if true any one could use what ever for the most part.

Pride was fair, ufc is just a bunch of cheaters.

PRIDE wasn't fair in a lot of their judging. And since the judges were PRIDE employees, not judges provided by the athletic commissions like the UFC has, they're more prone to "cheat."

And I'm assuming you mean the "red card" policy? I don't see any advantage to that.

Right now, the UFC is much better than PRIDE ever was.

Back then, I still looked forward to UFC cards more than PRIDE cards, because of the negative items I brought up. Though I enjoyed both.

Except for the HW division. Back then the UFC HW division was a train wreck.
 

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