That said, he’s also a cheater. We will never know much the juice helped him out. Maybe only a 5% or maybe 60%. It will be always a question.
"Old/Past prime fighters"Most of his best run was against either:
A. Old/Past prime fighters
B. Fighters that should've been at middleweight, especially in modern era.
They weren't THAT old or that far from prime.Most of his best run was against either:
A. Old/Past prime fighters
Or . maybe it was the PEDs.Most fighters stick to their strengths and mix it up on occasion. Jones hole game plan was to constantly mix it up. You never knew if there was an elbow, spinning back fist, kick, knee or takedown. He did this with superior reach and simply took mixed martial arts literally.
We saw that a wrestling based fighter could not beat him, and a striking based would have trouble with his wrestling... So jon Jones was the best of both worlds. If you program someone to fight optimally, you do like Jones.. Do everything..
PEDs and great fight IQ and long reachBeing a PED cheat helps a lot, Shermano
Exactly what Lance Armstrong said, did we allow him to keep the TDF trophies calling him great?Dudes who just started watching MMA are totally clueless about the landscape of PEDs in MMA.
Six of Jones opponents have popped, one would have to be pretty obtuse to not see whats going on.
And PEDsPEDs and great fight IQ and long reach
He was a very good fighter who used peds to gain an advantage. He would have likely lost to gus and dc and others if he was not a steroid user. He was good but cheaters cant be great. These threads are funny.
And PEDs
And he popped, not once, but twice. Possibly even thriceDidnt help his six opponents who popped.
newflash.And he popped, not once, but twice. Possibly even thrice
i dont watch bicyling, I have no idea what fans of Tour de France think.Exactly what Lance Armstrong said, did we allow him to keep the TDF trophies calling him great?
So all his opponents were older than Jones was when he regressed and should have lost 48-47 to Santos."Old/Past prime fighters"
"Should've been at middleweight"
1. Shogun, 29 years old, LHW champ when Jon fought him
2. Rampage, 33 years old, Former LHW champ (3 years removed)
3. Machida, 33 years old, Former LHW champ (1 year removed)
4. Rashad, 32 years old, Former LHW champ (3 years removed)
5. Vitor, 35 years old, Former LHW champ (8 years removed)
7. Glover, 34 years old, Future LHW champ
8. Cormier, 36 years old, Former LHW and HW champ
Notes
-Shogun, Rampage, Machida, and Rashad were far from old, especially at LHW, and weren't far removed from their respective title runs
-You can't say for a second that someone who held a belt in one weight class and was mediocre in another (Machida, Rashad, Vitor) belonged in that other weight class. Makes no sense.
-Vitor was a little older and further removed from his title run, but Jon fought an emerging TRT Vitor, who was arguably the best version of Vitor we've ever seen. The past prime thing doesn't work for him.
-Forget all of Jon's other fights. That list right there is enough.