Opinion Why Joe Biden won't be the Dem Nominee

[HereticBD]

He will be the nominee and all the butthurt progressives will childishly sit at home come election night, and hand the Presidency over to Trump again.

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

You can't let Joe Biden be Joe Biden.

Will Black Voters Still Love Biden When They Remember Who He Was?
By Eric Levitz@EricLevitz

Say it ain’t Joe. Photo: C-SPAN

Joe Biden once called state-mandated school integration “the most racist concept you can come up with,” and Barack Obama “the first sort of mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean.” He was a staunch opponent of “forced busing” in the 1970s, and leading crusader for mass incarceration throughout the ‘80s and ‘90s. Uncle Joe has described African-American felons as “predators” too sociopathic to rehabilitate — and white supremacist senators as his friends.

And, as of this writing, a plurality of black Democrats want him to be their party’s 2020 nominee.

Whether Biden can retain that support, after voters learn more about his problematic past, could very well determine the outcome of the party’s primary race. To explore that question, let’s pick through the former vice-president’s hefty baggage on racial justice — and then, the case for thinking that Obama’s halo will prove to be brighter than the shadow of Biden’s record is dark

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019...ustice-democratic-primary-2020-explained.html

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Joe Biden is going to hide from the lime light as much as possible, but when he does have to be put under the light, he is going to have a hard time defending his past.

Discuss........

That stuff doesn't look good, but really it's not juicy enough for people to sink their teeth into, especially when he'll be going against Trump, who the left looks at as the second coming of Adolf Hitler.

It's actually kind of funny: you can support and pass policies that actually have REAL negative impacts on African Americans, and most people won't really pay attention to it. But if they had tape of Biden saying the N-word in a private conversation where there was no African Americans around in 30 square miles, his campaign would be over tomorrow.

 

[ShadowRun]

Biden will be because the DNC will want that.

 

[JonesBones]

Yet he polls better with black people than any other candidate. Bernie bots sound scared.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Working with another senator to get legislation passed despite political differences isn't something Joe is going to be ashamed of. He is willing to talk all about it, go about half way down the text of his speech: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...arks-vice-president-yale-university-class-day
Regarding Iraq, unless I find out a certain politician was aware there was no WMD and put us there anyway, I am not going to fault someone for being for the war at a time high school me stayed up to try and catch some 'shock and awe' on the live feed on the first day of invasion. At that point over 70% of Americans were pro invasion. Even if Joe should have been older and wiser, than me, I'm not going to hold someone else to much different level of hindsight. 60% of Democratic senators voted for Iraq, and while I would now look more favorably on those that didn't, it isn't a dealbreaker for me or most other voters that someone was for the war and thought there was justification at the time.

If only there was someone running that wasn't friends with Jesse helms, and wrong on just about every issue in the past.

 

[Renard]

The new narrative that someone mentioning the crime problem in black neighbourhoods makes them a racist is nonsensical. Isn't it more discriminatory to ignore the problem exists, allow black citizens to continue being in the crossfire of gang violence, and not spend any resources to solve the problem. Apparently the left can't decide whether black Americans are in a bad place and need help, or whether they're completely fine and the mere mention that there are problems in those communities is bigoted; lefties switch which narrative they like depending on what's convenient. But I agree, Biden is a bad candidate, but not for this.

 

[VivaRevolution]

The new narrative that someone mentioning the crime problem in black neighbourhoods makes them a racist is nonsensical. Isn't it more discriminatory to ignore the problem exists, allow black citizens to continue being in the crossfire of gang violence, and not spend any resources to solve the problem. Apparently the left can't decide whether black Americans are in a bad place and need help, or whether they're completely fine and the mere mention that there are problems in those communities is bigoted; lefties switch which narrative they like depending on what's convenient. But I agree, Biden is a bad candidate, but not for this.

I'm pretty sure the answer wasn't to lock someone up for 20 years for adding baking soda to cocaine, when that same cocaine had only a 2 year sentence.

 

[JonesBones]

I'm pretty sure the answer wasn't to lock someone up for 20 years for adding baking soda to cocaine, when that same cocaine had only a 2 year sentence.

Crack is worse than cocaine. One can recreationally do coke, one doesn't recreationally smoke crack. They are addicts.

 

[nac386]

The new narrative that someone mentioning the crime problem in black neighbourhoods makes them a racist is nonsensical. Isn't it more discriminatory to ignore the problem exists, allow black citizens to continue being in the crossfire of gang violence, and not spend any resources to solve the problem. Apparently the left can't decide whether black Americans are in a bad place and need help, or whether they're completely fine and the mere mention that there are problems in those communities is bigoted; lefties switch which narrative they like depending on what's convenient. But I agree, Biden is a bad candidate, but not for this.

That's not actually occurring though. That's a talking point that sounds like it came off of a meme.

Barack Obama spoke at length on Chicago's crime and violence as the President. People speak on the issue all the time, and it's never considered a "racist" topic by the left. That's a ridiculous claim.

What actually happens sometimes is that somebody says something deliberately racist, gets in trouble for it, and then plays the victim and makes the point you just made. "Huh? Who, me?! I got carded for simply saying there's issues in black communities (troll face)?" It's an embarrassing victim mentality, and a level of cowardice those people should be ashamed of.

I think it's time to stop coddling trolls. They do nothing to help any conversation or debate, all they do is seek ways to create a stir and get in trouble so that they can claim they were victimized. It happens on this forum all the time.

 

[JonesBones]

That's not actually occurring though. That's a talking point that sounds like it came off of a meme.

Barack Obama spoke at length on Chicago's crime and violence as the President. People speak on the issue all the time, and it's never considered a "racist" topic by the left. That's a ridiculous claim.

What actually happens sometimes is that somebody says something deliberately racist, gets in trouble for it, and then plays the victim and makes the point you just made. "Huh? Who, me?! I got carded for simply saying there's issues in black communities (troll face)?" It's an embarrassing victim mentality, and a level of cowardice those people should be ashamed of.

Bullshit. Democrats won't touch this issue. If they do, it will be about cops killing blacks and not blacks killing each other. Let's see a candidate say that the black community needs to reflect on itself. lol. There would be outrage. People like Bill Cosby got shit over this.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Crack is worse than cocaine. One can recreationally do coke, one doesn't recreationally smoke crack. They are addicts.

Non-sense.

I know a guy that did 25 years in a federal prison for creating a new drug. He took THC oil, and melted it together with crack, 50-50. Called it pitch. It was a interesting high.

 

[JonesBones]

Non-sense.

I know a guy that did 25 years in a federal prison for creating a new drug. He took THC oil, and melted it together with crack, 50-50. Called it pitch. It was a interesting high.

Crack is worse than coke.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Crack is worse than coke.

Opium is a million times worse than crack.

 

[nac386]

Bullshit. Democrats won't touch this issue. If they do, it will be about cops killing blacks and not blacks killing each other. Let's see a candidate say that the black community needs to reflect on itself. lol. There would be outrage. People like Bill Cosby got shit over this.

Wrong. Here is Obama talking about black communities:

President Obama has been one of the biggest advocates of this idea. In a 2008 speech delivered on Father’s Day at a church on Chicago’s South Side, the first viable black candidate for president of the United States chastised black fathers. Too many black fathers, he said, are missing from too many lives and too many homes. “They have abandoned their responsibilities, acting like boys instead of men. We know the statistics — that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of schools and 20 times more likely to end up in prison,” Obama said. “They are more likely to have behavioral problems, or run away from home or become teenage parents themselves. And the foundations of our community are weaker because of it.”

It became a staple in his speeches delivered to majority- or all-black audiences. As recently as last year, Obama said at a poverty summit, “I am a black man who grew up without a father and I know the cost that I paid for that.”

You guys simply ignore everything that does not fit the caricature that you have painted in your minds (and on your memes) of American politics and the leaders you chose to dislike.

If I had a dollar for every time somebody on this forum said, "That would never happen!" about something that happens all the time, I'd retire. The truth is, most people are just not paying any attention, or they are following news sources that pick and choose their narrative for them.

 

[JonesBones]

Opium is a million times worse than crack.

I see you dropped your cocaine argument. Opiates are fine except for shit like heroin. Oxy is great and it is fear mongering.

 

[JonesBones]

Wrong. Here is Obama talking about black communities:



You guys simply ignore everything that does not fit the caricature that you have painted in your minds (and on your memes) of American politics and the leaders you chose to dislike.

If I had a dollar for every time somebody on this forum said, "That would never happen!" about something that happens all the time, I'd retire.

One person saying one thing once does not a trend make. Show me a Democratic candidate saying these things.

 

[jamesmiller14]

The same sort of thing were said about Hillary and the superpreadator comments. She still had the support of black voters.

Yeah. All of those Obama voters came out in droves, didn't they?

 

[VivaRevolution]

I see you dropped your cocaine argument. Opiates are fine except for shit like heroin. Oxy is great and it is fear mongering.

Oxy is heroine buddy.

Take the opium out of heroine or Oxy or vicodine, and you have nothing.

That's right. That little happy pill you take is dirty, nasty, drug addict heroine.

No one thinks the solution to our opiate epidemic is locking up some dude for 20 years for selling 20 pills.

I wonder why anyone ever thought that was a solution to crack.

 

[JonesBones]

Yeah. All of those Obama voters came out in droves, didn't they?

They sure as hell helped her whip Bernie's ass in the primary.

 

[HereticBD]

You guys simply ignore everything that does not fit the caricature that you have painted in your minds (and on your memes) of American politics and the leaders you chose to dislike.

From 2008...from a Black President...

It's 2019, and if Biden or Bernie said anything remotely close to that, and singled out African American fathers for "acting like boys instead of men", they would be labeled KKK level racists, and their campaigns would be over.