Why isnt there more Karate in UFC?

[cyanogen]

yeah he did because that was his first martial art and where learned the basics, but his style was based on boxing and wrestling. Basically nothing he did was a Karate technique.

He actually said on mutiple occasions that the Karate blitz was his base for his power double leg. It's what taught him to cover the distance quicker than most of his opponents.

 

[Ares Black]

Because it’s not very good overall. Very few fighters can make it work. Most fighters with a karate base don’t use it. You wouldn’t know GSP did karate by watching his fights

^^^^^^This

 

[XNYHCX]

Karate is an extremely effective Martial Arts and it can be adapted well into mma.

Notable Karate strikers in UFCs history

Robert Whittaker, former champ
Lyoto Machida, former champ
GSP, some say goat, but definitely one of top 3 all time greats
Kyoji Horicuchi, Rizin champ, UFC contender
Gunnar Nelson, solid fighter in wrong weight class
Stephen Wonderbread Thompson, consistent top 5 welterweight
Conor Mcgregor in his prime used some karate elements in Boxing.
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Karate is clearly very effective and I am surprised more fighters dont use it. So my question is where is all the karate talent at?

Mma just seems overrun with muay thai and Boxing style striking

Because of MMA gyms.

And you forgot Iceman. I feel like he's pretty notable.

 

[TJ Dillashank]

Watch some GSP interviews, he give his Karate Background alot of credit for developing his striking accuracy, timing and his footwork.

ffs man he always walked out like this

He didn't use his karate in his fights he was more a boxer when it came to his stand up

 

[The Bloody Nine]

Karate men bleed on the inside.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

A boxing or kickboxing approach is easier to learn and typically is going to get you better results. You need to be extra talented to make karate work well for you in an MMA environment imo.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Karate is an extremely effective Martial Arts and it can be adapted well into mma.

Notable Karate strikers in UFCs history

Robert Whittaker, former champ
Lyoto Machida, former champ
GSP, some say goat, but definitely one of top 3 all time greats
Kyoji Horicuchi, Rizin champ, UFC contender
Gunnar Nelson, solid fighter in wrong weight class
Stephen Wonderbread Thompson, consistent top 5 welterweight
Conor Mcgregor in his prime used some karate elements in Boxing.
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Karate is clearly very effective and I am surprised more fighters dont use it. So my question is where is all the karate talent at?

Mma just seems overrun with muay thai and Boxing style striking

MMA is just an amalgamation now, people train all of it. I think what you're asking is why does MMA lean more on Muay Thai than Karate?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

because wrestling exists.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Part of it is I suspect that karate fighters have quite a lot of earnings potential outside of MMA, they could move to kickboxing or they could earn within their own sport as trainers or I'm guessing also in higher level comps?

Culturally as well I think a lot of eastern MA's naturally tend to be quite insular, its not encouraged for people to look to test out other sports. Judo for example obviously has some major sucesses in MA with people like Fedor and Rousey but really we don't see that many Judoka in MMA and lots of those we did in the past tended to be guys like Yoshida and Nastula who had ended their Judo careers so were past their prime physically.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

because it's hard. if you notice all the karate fighters have good timing and good distance control. these are 2 things a lot of MMA fighters struggle with. it's much easier to march forward throwing big right hands and trying to break people with powerful kicks than it is to learn timing and distance control.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

Part of it is I suspect that karate fighters have quite a lot of earnings potential outside of MMA, they could move to kickboxing or they could earn within their own sport as trainers or I'm guessing also in higher level comps?

Culturally as well I think a lot of eastern MA's naturally tend to be quite insular, its not encouraged for people to look to test out other sports. Judo for example obviously has some major sucesses in MA with people like Fedor and Rousey but really we don't see that many Judoka in MMA and lots of those we did in the past tended to be guys like Yoshida and Nastula who had ended their Judo careers so were past their prime physically.

i wish Teddy Riner would come to MMA. 6'8 300lbs, 3 gold medals, something like 10 world championships. absolute unit. and still only 32.

 

[23rd Century Sweetheart]

Perhaps karate coaches don't quite know how to blend specific karate training into MMA

Honestly if there was one that had some solid credentials near me I would join because those top karate fighters are all my favourites. The distance management and speed is just incredible.

I know TKD isn't karate but I think it's worth mentioning that Israel and a few of his teammates have been seen with a TKD coach who blends it in with other aspects of Martial Arts
(starts at 3:20 for Izzy's vid)

 

[Deleted member 110072]

i wish Teddy Riner would come to MMA. 6'8 300lbs, 3 gold medals, something like 10 world championships. absolute unit. and still only 32.

Judo espeically is very anti MMA, I believe there influence is why MMA was illegal in France for so long and they basically threaten a life ban for Judoka who try MMA.

Added to that though Judo is also quite well funded with public money and probably plenty of earnings from sponsorship for someone like Teddy. US wrestling feeds into MMA so well because its very hard to earn much from it, the same way it fed into pro wrestling for decades prior.

 

[Deleted member 587672]

Look at it like this. Karate, as it is taught (at least) in most of Europe and the Americas, is a bunch of guys in a cheap gi, flicking toe pointing kicks, who will never, ever enter any kind of full contact competition. Most won't even enter semi-contact.

Karate easily still has multiple millions of practitioners, so the absolute minority of their practicing % just goes to show how effective karate is for MMA. Not that some karate doesn't have relevance but effective karate, where they practice not dissimilar to a kickboxing level, is few and far between.

Cobra Kai>Miyagi Do.

 

[Deleted member 587672]

Judo espeically is very anti MMA, I believe there influence is why MMA was illegal in France for so long and they basically threaten a life ban for Judoka who try MMA.

Added to that though Judo is also quite well funded with public money and probably plenty of earnings from sponsorship for someone like Teddy. US wrestling feeds into MMA so well because its very hard to earn much from it, the same way it fed into pro wrestling for decades prior.

Yep.
The TMA bodies that oversee "the integrity of the sport", typically consists of fatties and over 60's who want to keep their family friendly image in focus, to continue receiving grants, funding and hold onto the dying myth of a superior art.

Hopefully, within the next 10-15 years, the newer generation of martial artists will strive to incorporate it into genuine combat.

Even some of the Judo associations stopped teaching particular parts of Judo, making it even less effective.

 

[Deleted member 587672]

i wish Teddy Riner would come to MMA. 6'8 300lbs, 3 gold medals, something like 10 world championships. absolute unit. and still only 32.

35lbs is a lot to cut.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

35lbs is a lot to cut.

i don't necessarily want him to come to UFC i just want to see him in MMA.

 

[Goatenstein]

Karate is an extremely effective Martial Arts and it can be adapted well into mma.

Notable Karate strikers in UFCs history

Robert Whittaker, former champ
Lyoto Machida, former champ
GSP, some say goat, but definitely one of top 3 all time greats
Kyoji Horicuchi, Rizin champ, UFC contender
Gunnar Nelson, solid fighter in wrong weight class
Stephen Wonderbread Thompson, consistent top 5 welterweight
Conor Mcgregor in his prime used some karate elements in Boxing.
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Karate is clearly very effective and I am surprised more fighters dont use it. So my question is where is all the karate talent at?

Mma just seems overrun with muay thai and Boxing style striking

I missed these idiotic 2002 TMA whiny ass questions.

 

[Hotora86]

Karate is an extremely effective Martial Arts and it can be adapted well into mma.

Notable Karate strikers in UFCs history

Robert Whittaker, former champ
Lyoto Machida, former champ
GSP, some say goat, but definitely one of top 3 all time greats
Kyoji Horicuchi, Rizin champ, UFC contender
Gunnar Nelson, solid fighter in wrong weight class
Stephen Wonderbread Thompson, consistent top 5 welterweight
Conor Mcgregor in his prime used some karate elements in Boxing.
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Karate is clearly very effective and I am surprised more fighters dont use it. So my question is where is all the karate talent at?

Mma just seems overrun with muay thai and Boxing style striking

There have been 163 Karate blackbelts in MMA so far.
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/karate-blackbelts-in-mma.3256127/

11 of them were UFC champions.
Not bad, I suppose.

 

[Greg House]

i wish Teddy Riner would come to MMA. 6'8 300lbs, 3 gold medals, something like 10 world championships. absolute unit. and still only 32.

I wonder how this guy feels about Gane and Ngannou, they are all from the same country. Does he think he could beat them? I thought that championship fight was going to happen in Paris. Was France excited about it or they couldn't care less? Riner helped MMA being banned there for years but now that is legal, what does he say about it? What does he say about Gane or Ngannou? Ngannou's bitching about money will certainly won't help catching Riner's interest in participating in MMA