Why is wrestling considered by some to be the best base for mma

[bigpunch]

Lol at people still mentioning slams as the basis to trash my post. Once again slams are not an art of wrestling people who have never fought/trained in the art of wrestling know how to slam and do slam people all the time in altercations. I'm still waiting to hear how a sport which doesn't allow damage is the best base for fighting sports

Wat? people who never fought/trained in the art of boxing know how to throw a punch too.
Obviously someone who trained wrestling will know how to throw someone with more impact. Did you want people to train wrestling on concrete or what?

 

[PerpetualWB]

Probably been said before but the TS placed a lot of arbitrary qualifications for what a "fight" is. Let's go with one on one, unarmed combat. I would say the goal is to incapacitate the other person, dominate them so that your will is imposed upon them. In a fight to the death, do you care if it's a spectacular finish, or how long it takes to wear the other person out? No. You care about being the winner.

Let's face it, without gloves, people won't throw nearly as hard without breaking their hands. Wrestling and grappling would actually be MORE advantageous in a fight than they are in the cage.

The main reason that wrestling is the best starting discipline is that it is relevant on both the feet and the ground. A well-versed wrestler can dictate where the fight goes more often than not. A solid wrestler with basic boxing and jiujitsu skills will do well in most fights, and that plays out even to the UFC level of professional fighting, where the best fighters have strong skills in multiple areas.

 

[pilgrim4702]

Yes, the reason is that boxing is more popular because it's easier to appreciate impressive striking than grappling.

No it's becaus many kickboxing, Muay Thai, Junjitsu, boxing matches end in a 1st rd ko / someone rendered unconscious, which is often spectacular. ZERO wrestling matches can ever end in such a way unless there's a gross foul. People want to see spectacle, not spandex and leaning on one another into a points decision.

 

[SMYD]

So you see time and time again the effectiveness of wrestling just based on watching MMA, yet you still are burying your head in the sand because you don't particularly like it?

Are you 3?

 

[DC23]

Wrestling > All.

 

[rmongler]

If a boxer unleashes his/ her most damaging move on a person, that person is getting concussed, blacked out, stitches, a broken orbital, or a broken nose, broken rib, etc. all from a single move (punch). If a wrestler unleashes his/ her most damaging move, then CONGRATS, you have your shoulder blades pressed to the ground and you got pinned. Or taken down. Or back points. Or reversed. Wow that sounds damaging and scary. A freaking football tackle has more grounds to be mma worthy than wrestling moves.

Wrestling is not meant for damage. It requires a soft mat to compete in. Striking can be done on any surface. It is meant solely for damage.

This betrays a superficial and myopic mindset that lacks insight.

Wrestling, at its core as a martial art, is all about positional control, it is about the ability to dictate the terms by which the fight takes place.

Aptitude at this is what makes the difference between even being in position to actually use your best damaging moves at all in the first place.

If you can take someone down and mount him, you are in a position where you can hurt him with impunity, and he is powerless to stop you. The art of wrestling is the art of being able to hit and making your opponent unable to hit.

Wrestling is one of the most natural, instinctual things there is for humans; it is the first, oldest martial art of all.

 

[BigMuffler]

No it's becaus many kickboxing, Muay Thai, Junjitsu, boxing matches end in a 1st rd ko / someone rendered unconscious, which is often spectacular. ZERO wrestling matches can ever end in such a way unless there's a gross foul. People want to see spectacle, not spandex and leaning on one another into a points decision.

So thus:

"it's easier to appreciate impressive striking than grappling."

 

[Khabib Fan]

pretty funny to see someone called 'Khabib Fan' make this post

grapplers ruled PRIDE too

Hey, that's just the direction the sport went. Plain and simple. Khabib's slams and scrambles at least bring some action. And he can neutralize any opponent who has the most boring form of his specialty.

 

[Zeppeling]

A wrestler could legit kill someone in a street fight. Clearly you've never wrestled before, but let me tell you, getting slammed hurts like hell, not to mention getting in a position to land GnP is scary as hell.

It is one of the best bases to have in mma due to the damage you can inflict from dominant positions and being able to neutralize your opponent. Seriously, go in a gym and let a solid wrestler go 100% on you and see how long you last.

Sambo judo teaches the same wrestling that would kill an inexperienced street fighter yet also teach striking and submissions.

 

[pilgrim4702]

Wat? people who never fought/trained in the art of boxing know how to throw a punch too.
Obviously someone who trained wrestling will know how to throw someone with more impact. Did you want people to train wrestling on concrete or what?

Slamming is not a martial art dummy. Boxing is. LOL at you saying the average person knows how to throw a punch. Just watch some ufc fights them tell me people know how to throw a punch. Boxing is much more than punching FYI

 

[bigpunch]

Slamming is not a martial art dummy. Boxing is. LOL at you saying the average person knows how to throw a punch. Just watch some ufc fights them tell me people know how to throw a punch. Boxing is much more than punching FYI

You said wrestling can't do any damage. That's retarded. Imagine DC throwing people the way he throws them on concrete.
Watch Khabilov vs Pinchel. He knocked out Pinchel with throws.

 

[Platinum Bless]

Cody Garbrandt is one of the new breeds of MMA, started as a very talented HS wrestler then moved onto boxing. His skills blend in together perfectly and it helped him become the eventual champion.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Because the UFC created all of it's rules to tap into the collegiate wrestling demographic which nobody on earth hat yet tapped into for financial gain. They couldn't beat the PRIDE model so they did something new and much less entertaining.

yea no good wrestlers in pride

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Cody Garbrandt is one of the new breeds of MMA, started as a very talented HS wrestler then moved onto boxing. His skills blend in together perfectly and it helped him become the eventual champion.

Aaron Pico is next

 

[dsdoubled]

-It is basically free to participate in until you're 18 years old (at least in the USA, Canada, and Japan).

-You will get more 1-on-1 combative competition under your belt as a wrestler than any other combat sport. If you wrestle in Jr High and HS you will have had hundreds of matches by the time you would be fighting in MMA. You would have a better grasp of managing your nerves, pacing yourself, etc.

-You will master weight cutting much more than you would in boxing or judo. For better or worse nobody cuts weight (and regains weight) better than a wrestler.

-You will be used to competing 3-5 times in one day.

-You will be strong as hell for your size and have gas for days.

-And finally, there seems to be one truth that holds up in MMA more than just about any other.....Staying upright against a wrestler is one of the hardest things to do. Its just the nature of things. Trying to KO someone require landing the small fist on the relatively small head and even smaller jaw. Wrestlers are aiming their entire body at their opponents entire body, its just easier to do.

 

[beastman]

What year is this? Grappling/wrestling allow you to control where the fight takes place, which is why they are considered the best bases. However, this single style argument is silly now anyways. You have to be good everywhere at the UFC level or you will eventually get smoked.

Yeah, this isn't a new thing. Wrestling has always been the most important. Have an advantage standing? Solid wrestler can keep it standing. Have an advantage with BJJ/subs? A solid wrestler can bring it to the ground.

 

[dsdoubled]

Randleman killed Mirko with a punch. Bad example. Otherwise truth.

He established the threat of the TD and landed that huge left hook after a subtle faked shot. Wrestling was a huge part of the finish.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

So cringey TS.... you don't know shit about fighting clearly.. go do some more homework as I am.

 

[dsdoubled]

Aaron Pico is next

No doubt about it. Any guys that honed more than 1 skill growing up are going to be really tough to beat. Even a guy like Daniel Straus who was at one time the best HS wrestler in the country and grew up street fighting has a huge advantage.

 

[Ghostoftheville]

Mma is essentially fighting. The goal is to incapacitate another person as quickly and hopefully as spectacularly as possible. Bearing in mind that in fighting, in life, or in tournament, or in general, one may possibly have to fight multiple opponents on the same night or multiple opponents in an unfair fight. So how on earth is a discipline which is so boring that the Olympics flirted with cutting it out, so boring that there isn't even a professional version of it for amateurs to Segue in to (that's why hs/ college wrestlers go into mma) considered the best base.
If a boxer unleashes his/ her most damaging move on a person, that person is getting concussed, blacked out, stitches, a broken orbital, or a broken nose, broken rib, etc. all from a single move (punch). If a wrestler unleashes his/ her most damaging move, then CONGRATS, you have your shoulder blades pressed to the ground and you got pinned. Or taken down. Or back points. Or reversed. Wow that sounds damaging and scary. A freaking football tackle has more grounds to be mma worthy than wrestling moves.

Wrestling is not meant for damage. It requires a soft mat to compete in. Striking can be done on any surface. It is meant solely for damage. I get that wrestling is helpful, but how anyone can put it above boxing for fighting purposes is just ignorant and toolish.

If you had to fight an attacker w a weapon and you used wrestling, your probably getting shanked in the back while you attempt your takedown ( but at least you scored two points LOL). If you used striking and movement, the art of hit and don't get hit, you stand a much better chance of not getting hurt while doing your best to disarm the assailant.

This is why when someone goes to watch a boxing match, it's called "watchin The fights" or "going to see a prizefight". When wrestlers compete, it's called a meet. One of these things is better for fighting for several reasons.

This is a troll right ?