Why is it considered "moral" to be communist?

[DespicablePeep]

I wonder why is there a sudden popularity of communism, communism is just like that zombie that just won't die.

People that can't thrive in the system or want to rebel against family, those are the suckers for communism.

We expected the fad to die after USRR colapse, but the excuse was that it was never communism and that real communism has never been achieved, its supposed to be a superior system that not even the people who study can explain how to get there...

Its just a way to apease peoples insatisfaction

 

[HomerThompson]

Communism is first and foremost a political system.

And yes, Mao's government is fully culpable in the deaths that occurred during the man made famine.

NO, it's an economic system. You're misinformed on the subject. Democracy is a political system.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

NO, it's an economic system. You're misinformed on the subject. Democracy is a political system.

No, I'm not misinformed at all. I've taken several classes on the subject and read a good many histories of communism and communist regimes from various perspectives. Communism, because it is based on state control of economic production, is an inherently political system. Communist economic policies assume the presence of a state with nearly total authority.

Trying to say communism isn't a political system is a semantic word game used by those trying to obscure the totalitarian nature of the system.

 

[HomerThompson]

No, I'm not misinformed at all. I've taken several classes on the subject and read a good many histories of communism and communist regimes from various perspectives. Communism, because it is based on state control of economic production, is an inherently political system. Communist economic policies assume the presence of a state with nearly total authority.

Trying to say communism isn't a political system is a semantic word game used by those trying to obscure the totalitarian nature of the system.

It's not state control, it's public(worker) control.

 

[Metusalemi]

Most of the people in China during Mao weren't actually murdered by the government. Also, Stalinist Russia was a totalitarian regime. Communism is an economic system. It didn't lead to the purges by Stalin, and it didn't lead to a mass starvation in China either.

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[HomerThompson]

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That's gimmick infringement.

 

[ShinkanPo]

People that can't thrive in the system or want to rebel against family, those are the suckers for communism.

We expected the fad to die after USRR colapse, but the excuse was that it was never communism and that real communism has never been achieved, its supposed to be a superior system that not even the people who study can explain how to get there...

Its just a way to apease peoples insatisfaction

Communism is like religion for others, and usually the poorer the population that endorses it the more extreme it gets I say this because I live in a poor country I am poor myself and in recent months there is this wave of communist rallies in our streets, mostly the rural poor groups who in their view are oppressed by the system and uses that as a justification for the government to give them free housing and utilities.

Its like they have this culture of force sharing I think some cultures are more prone to communism than others.

 

[ShinkanPo]

That's gimmick infringement.

Yeah I suggest he only use four hotdogs instead of 5.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Probably Workers United would be most eloquent on this topic.

Personally, I think there's more value to actually reading up on it (raw texts) than posing the Q to Sherdoggers.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

It's not state control, it's public(worker) control.

Poppycock. That's just rhetoric to befuddle the rubes. It never actually works out that way, and it isn't intended to.

Communism as a political-economic doctrine centralizes massive power in the hands of very few, who we are always assured have the very best intentions. It is inherently totalitarian, which is why communist states so often end up as totalitarian dictatorships. How stupid does person have to be to continue to believe that they just didn't implement Marx's ideas correctly when communists turn whatever country they've seized control of into another hellhole?

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

The only people who think communism is moral are 20 something neck beards whos only past employment was working at blockbuster 8 years ago. Why anyone would follow the philosophy of a man who had little experience in the work field yet thought he knew what the working man needs is comical.

 

[Der Eisbär]

Communists, Antifa rallies, Bernie supporters and pro socialists love to claim that they are "morally" superior to others. As if owning private property is somehow "evil".

Philosophically, true communism means that you don't even own your own hands or body. Everything is property of the state.

In our society, your own body is your personal "means of production". If you were born with a good body, and train and put the work in to become a good basketball player, then surely you deserve to make as much money as you can. Similarly, if you are born with a good brain, surely you have the right to use that brain to better yourself?

It's crazy that you can have a communist flag, show pictures and placards of Stalin, Mao and Marx proudly and not get called up on shit. These people killed way more people than Hitler ever did.

If you March down the streets with Hitler placards and swaztikas, you would be arrested and deemed immoral and evil by everyone. Yet, antifa march with hammer and sickle and Stalin posters and claim to be more "moral" than everyone. No-one ever calls them up on it. It's bullshit.


This is London, 1st of May, 2017

How is this cool?? How is this even possible??

Imagine people doing the same with Hitler?? The media would brandish them immoral and evil, yet the same media are cool with Stalin ... Why??

All I have to say here is Hitler's numbers aren't ever presented accurately. Over 100 million died as a result of ww2. Considering Hitler directly started ww2 you could give him a 100,000,000 body count. Or you could just give him the 25 million dead Russians plus 12 million Jews and gypsies. Either way, Hitler's body count is always vastly understated.

 

[Makani]

Having admired most of your previous posts, this post is pretty disappointing in its reduction.


Your prideful ignorance is, however, completely expected.

I proudly endorse many socialist policies, but I cannot believe in the communist utopia. I believe it always starts with good intentions but ends up crushed under the excess of the powerful. Capitalism has the same failing, I think a society mentally beholden to either is doomed.

 

[machidafan99]

no, no, no it is the idea of socialism that has the image of morality. See Sweden.

 

[asharak]

Communism is first and foremost a political system.

And yes, Mao's government is fully culpable in the deaths that occurred during the man made famine.

Communism is first and foremost economic. Every economic system need a political one to go with it, and the best one to be paired with it has been the Chinese government so far. Cuba was doing really well before collapse of the USSR, and would be doing better without US interference.

If you wanna talk about man made famines, let's go to the British responsibility for the Irish potato famine. Their free trade laws caused Ireland's population to drop by 20%. China's, on the other hand, was actually still growing. The worst estimate for "premature deaths" was 10% of the population.

Communism as a political-economic doctrine centralizes massive power in the hands of very few, who we are always assured have the very best intentions. How stupid does person have to be to continue to believe that they just didn't implement Marx's ideas correctly when communists turn whatever country they've seized control of into another hellhole?

Free-market capitalism as a political-economic doctrine centralizes massive power in the hands of very few, who we are always assured have the very best intentions. How stupid does person have to be to continue to believe that they just didn't implement Smith's ideas correctly when capitalists turn whatever country they've seized control of into another hellhole?



Neither pure capitalism nor pure communism have been able to work. Socialism is the compromise solution. The question from here is : do you prefer european socialism, national socialism, socialism with chinese tendencies, or socialism with american tendencies?

 

[sangreporsangre]

Man, there's always been some loathsome creatures here in the WR, but now we have Mao and Lenin apologists. Pretty gross. Communism is such a great system that it can only be implemented as part of a totalitarian regime, where any dissent is ruthlessly crushed without trial and freedom of expression and movement are curtailed. Where do I sign up?

 

[forum poster]

Not only doesn't my country or any other Western Country that I know of even have minor fringe communist party, I've never even met a communist in real life. And I live in a fairly left wing country and know many left wing and far left wing people in real life.

This is a sad indictment of the Internets ability to scare people about complete non existent issues. A photo of around 20 people in one corner of the globe promoting communism? And that's some kind of evidence that communism is socially acceptable?

 

[Hard To Tell]

Not only doesn't my country or any other Western Country that I know of even have minor fringe communist party, I've never even met a communist in real life. And I live in a fairly left wing country and know many left wing and far left wing people in real life.

This is a sad indictment of the Internets ability to scare people about complete non existent issues. A photo of around 20 people in one corner of the globe promoting communism? And that's some kind of evidence that communism is socially acceptable?

These kind of loonies are currently running for government in the UK. John McDonnell was there this year, Jeremy Corbyn last year and while the Labour Party are now an unelectable rabble of nut cases, it's not really true to say this kind of thing is a non-issue or just a few people on the fringes of society.

Here's Diane Abbott saying on national TV that Mao did more good than harm



John McDonnell is also pretty clear here



And Jeremy Corbyn's chief policy adviser is a man called Andrew Fisher, a far-left extremist and self confessed Communist.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Communists, Antifa rallies, Bernie supporters and pro socialists love to claim that they are "morally" superior to others. As if owning private property is somehow "evil".

Philosophically, true communism means that you don't even own your own hands or body. Everything is property of the state.

In our society, your own body is your personal "means of production". If you were born with a good body, and train and put the work in to become a good basketball player, then surely you deserve to make as much money as you can. Similarly, if you are born with a good brain, surely you have the right to use that brain to better yourself?

It's crazy that you can have a communist flag, show pictures and placards of Stalin, Mao and Marx proudly and not get called up on shit. These people killed way more people than Hitler ever did.

If you March down the streets with Hitler placards and swaztikas, you would be arrested and deemed immoral and evil by everyone. Yet, antifa march with hammer and sickle and Stalin posters and claim to be more "moral" than everyone. No-one ever calls them up on it. It's bullshit.


This is London, 1st of May, 2017

How is this cool?? How is this even possible??

Imagine people doing the same with Hitler?? The media would brandish them immoral and evil, yet the same media are cool with Stalin ... Why??

I wouldn't throw in most of the Bernie people with the extreme left. Basically what Bernie wants and what they want is a Western European-style government. In Western Europe, you can still own private property. You still have free markets. It's actually closer to capitalism than socialism, but many of them call themselves socialists. It might not be what you or I would want in society, but it's not the same as having a communist revolution like the far left whack jobs want.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Cool meme bro, but there's a difference between living in Western Europe and living in Cuba. I'd rather stick to American constitutional principles, but I could stomach having a Western European-style government that was democratically elected. But if we have a Cuban-style communist revolution, we're fucked.