Why is it considered "moral" to be communist?

[Goonerview]

Communists, Antifa rallies, Bernie supporters and pro socialists love to claim that they are "morally" superior to others. As if owning private property is somehow "evil".

Philosophically, true communism means that you don't even own your own hands or body. Everything is property of the state.

In our society, your own body is your personal "means of production". If you were born with a good body, and train and put the work in to become a good basketball player, then surely you deserve to make as much money as you can. Similarly, if you are born with a good brain, surely you have the right to use that brain to better yourself?

It's crazy that you can have a communist flag, show pictures and placards of Stalin, Mao and Marx proudly and not get called up on shit. These people killed way more people than Hitler ever did.

If you March down the streets with Hitler placards and swaztikas, you would be arrested and deemed immoral and evil by everyone. Yet, antifa march with hammer and sickle and Stalin posters and claim to be more "moral" than everyone. No-one ever calls them up on it. It's bullshit.


This is London, 1st of May, 2017

How is this cool?? How is this even possible??

Imagine people doing the same with Hitler?? The media would brandish them immoral and evil, yet the same media are cool with Stalin ... Why??

 

[TheGreatA]

I don't think it's moral to steal.

True communism isn't actually statist, but the problem is that trying to achive true communism within a human society requires an all-powerful state as the mediator. That is why it's a failed philosophy, taking human nature into account. It's a somewhat enticing philosophy, when not taking human nature into account.

It may work for ants and bees, but not humans. It mistakes human nature entirely.

 

[ehtheist]

Well, I think a more telling question to ask would be, can you think of a major ideological stance that doesn't claim that it is a morally righteous stance to take? The answer to "Why is it considered 'moral' to be communist?" might lie in the answer to that question.

 

[Madmick]

Because allowing for organic wealth separation on a free market will ultimately see an inhumane distribution of resources. This wouldn't be such a problem if pricing (as of goods and services) didn't depend on relative wealth.

It isn't correct, but it's a point of view addressing a miasma that naturally arises again and again.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Because their mantra is "contribute according to your ability and take according to your needs"

 

[tramendous]

Communists, Antifa rallies, Bernie supporters and pro socialists love to claim that they are "morally" superior to others. As if owning private property is somehow "evil".

Philosophically, true communism means that you don't even own your own hands or body. Everything is property of the state.

In our society, your own body is your personal "means of production". If you were born with a good body, and train and put the work in to become a good basketball player, then surely you deserve to make as much money as you can. Similarly, if you are born with a good brain, surely you have the right to use that brain to better yourself?

It's crazy that you can have a communist flag, show pictures and placards of Stalin, Mao and Marx proudly and not get called up on shit. These people killed way more people than Hitler ever did.

If you March down the streets with Hitler placards and swaztikas, you would be arrested and deemed immoral and evil by everyone. Yet, antifa march with hammer and sickle and Stalin posters and claim to be more "moral" than everyone. No-one ever calls them up on it. It's bullshit.

It is completely fucking bullshit for people to march with mao, stalin etc posters. Most people sadly arent aware of how many people they killed while 6 million killed in holocaust is almost common knowledge.

 

[HomeCheese]

I'd say that Stalin used the dogma of communism as a way to control the people. Russia and the Soviet Union was not a true representation of communism. I have never seen anyone marching with a pro Stalin poster.

Bernie types feel moral in that they believe the state should be more committed to things like healthcare, education and the environment rather than the military and big corporations IMHO.

 

[DannyNL]

Whenever people claim their political belief is the "moral" one, you immediately know you're talking to an idiot. I've seen people say this on both sides of the fence. I'm a libertarian but whenever I hear someone call libertarianism the "moral" choice or a "perfect system", I cringe.

 

[tramendous]

I'd say that Stalin used the dogma of communism as a way to control the people. Russia and the Soviet Union was not a true representation of communism. I have never seen anyone marching with a pro Stalin poster.

Bernie types feel moral in that they believe the state should be more committed to things like healthcare, education and the environment rather than the military and big corporations IMHO.

There has never been a communist state according to communists. They all fail at the 'socialist' stage. Communism for communists is like a sort of afterlife or ideal that they strive towards. They never get to it and never will because communism is unachievable fairy tale and the road to it ends in misery and bloodshed or abandoning its core principles like china.

 

[Concrete]

The sleight of hand that is post modernism.

 

[HomeCheese]

There has never been a communist state according to communists. They all fail at the 'socialist' stage. Communism for communists is like a sort of afterlife or ideal that they strive towards. They never get to it and never will because communism is unachievable fairy tale and the road to it ends in misery and bloodshed or abandoning its core principles like china.

Yeah Communism is a nice ideal but seems pretty unachievable. I always wonder how tiny Costa Rica does such a good job of taking care of the people. Germany has many rules and customs I find appealing as well like close to the shortest work week in Europe and highest productivity plus a good number of union jobs and quality healthcare.

 

[Goonerview]

Yeah Communism is a nice ideal but seems pretty unachievable. I always wonder how tiny Costa Rica does such a good job of taking care of the people. Germany has many rules and customs I find appealing as well like close to the shortest work week in Europe and highest productivity plus a good number of union jobs and quality healthcare.

I don't think communism is a nice ideal at all. Ultimately, It takes away freedom from the people and stifles true progress and evolution.

 

[Goonerview]

Here is the picture I was referring to:



This is London, 1st of May, 2017

How is this cool?? How is this even possible??

Imagine people doing the same with Hitler?? The media would brandish them immoral and evil, yet the same media are cool with Stalin ... Why??

What makes me laugh is most of the people carrying the "mass produced" flags, and wearing their mass-produced "communist t-shirts", live in a house with running hot water and the internet connection. They ARE RICH. In the great scheme of things, they are the very "evil" they are protesting against. Why don't they put their money where their mouth is and give all their money and property to the state?

 

[TheGreatA]

Here is the picture I was referring to:



This is London, 1st of May, 2017

How is this cool?? How is this even possible??

Imagine people doing the same with Hitler?? The media would brandish them immoral and evil, yet the same media are cool with Stalin ... Why??

I don't see anything wrong with it.

People should be able to march with the Hitler mustache and Nazi flags, for all I care. The problem is that they aren't allowed to. We should be able to move on. If we have apparently moved on from Stalin's massacres and purges, then we ought to be able to move on from Hitler's.

 

[Goonerview]

I don't see anything wrong with it.

People should be able to march with the Hitler mustache and Nazi flags, for all I care. The problem is that they aren't allowed to. We should be able to move on. If we have apparently moved on from Stalin's massacres and purges, then we ought to be able to move on from Hitler's.

Ok, so my question is, why is it "cool" and widely accepted to march with a Stalin poster and not with a Hitler poster?

Why is it considered more "moral" to be communist than a nazi? The communists killed way more people.

 

[TheGreatA]

Ok, so my question is, why is it "cool" and widely accepted to march with a Stalin poster and not with a Hitler poster?

Because Stalin's (and Mao's, for that matter) massacres took place a little further into the East. We all know that the human value of people in the East is a little bit less than those in the West.

 

[Goonerview]

Because Stalin's (and Mao's, for that matter) massacres took place a little further into the East. We all know that the human value of people in the East is a little bit less than those in the West.

So basically, it's more hypocrisy from the "holier than thou" left.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Only leftists and communists think that. And of course leftists and communists are completely retarded, brain dead idiots.

Consider the source in other words.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I've never heard that it is.
I would assume that maybe it's a reference to being in a system designed, at least on its face, to benefit all. Forced altruism.

In practice however, people like to own and hoard things, so it's not a good system for people.

 

[Goonerview]

I've never heard that it is.
I would assume that maybe it's a reference to being in a system designed, at least on its face, to benefit all. Forced altruism.

In practice however, people like to own and hoard things, so it's not a good system for people.

Not just things, your own body and hands. Pure communism means that you don't own your body. You don't own your hands, your brain ... these and the labour generated from them all belong to the state.