Why is Dana so opposed to GSP vs. Khabib

[crysis]

We know gsp supposedly walked away and was supposed to fight whitaker ..

but in the grand scheme of things .. who gives a shit ??

he is UFC material... HOF fuqn GOAT status and you wanna not see the fight ?

s it because it hurts the brand ? have a guy come out of "retirement" and beat a dominant champ ? does that take away from what we seen Khabib do ?

we wanted Jones vs. Silva ( think we know now Jones woulda won) but still

Gsp Vs. Silva ( Hard Call but probably Silva due to GSP being timid and scared to shoot .. )

Fedor vs. Brock ( who knows UFC probably would have let brock juice the fuck out to get the W)


fuck Dana I've been watching since a kid when you had to go to the unrated section and get a VHS tape ..

what's the real deal behind not making these fights ???


cause I don't know, and blaming the fighters for not making the deal is BS ..





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its simple man. gsp has no interest in defending or sticking around, the only fights that interest him are one's that improve his legacy....and the only fight that interests him is becoming a 3 division champion.

If there's no belt to be won, and he has to defend he's not interested. That's nothing new, he's been saying that since he vacated the mw belt.

It's dana/ufc fault that gsp/kahbib never did happen. Dana was pissed that gsp vacated the mw belt and didn't defend, so when gsp presented a fight against kahbib for the lw belt that's when dana said not happening because you'll do the same thing you did at mw if you win.

gsp waited gave them plenty of time to reconsider, now it's been too long, gsp is older, and kahbib wouldn't be fighting a prime gsp, so beating him now wouldn't be as impressive....gsp winning would have much more to brag about, he beats someone who seemed invincible and becomes the first 3 div champion.

and honestly dana should shut his pie hole and stop speaking for kahbib, if the guy says he's done and out of respect for his father and mother then let the guy be and let him do his own thing.....dana using his fathers wishes to try and hit 30-0 to convince kahbib, how low are you to use kahbib's passing father as a way to drag him back into competition.

i hope gsp never returns, he gave the ufc a chance to set up that fight so he should not even consider it at this point, make them hurt by not accepting if they approached gsp now, gsp doesn't owe them anything anyways, everything he has he earned by becoming and being the champion he was, I think he's paid his dues with the organization and doesn't need to do a damn thing for dana or them, that's just my opinion on this matter.

 

[FlyingDeathKick]

It's a fucking stupid fight. Also GSP doesn't want to fight at 155.

 

[MMAudit]

They both want it .. 165lbs ... no title

first ever !!
GOAT vs. GOAT


Dana will make a giant Goat head belt like he did for BMF

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

If GSP comes back and manages to beat Khabib, he's not walking away. He will fight Conor and then walk away.

If Dana's upset that GSP will come and take the belt and then walk away, well.. That's what Khabib is doing now anyway, right? So what's the problem? Just make the fight. If the winner decides to stop after, doesn't change the situation much from what it is now. Except you give the fans what they want and UFC gets a huge payday.

I love how you just presented a weird hypothesis as a fact.
Why would he fight a clown like Conor at this point in his career with such a legacy? Sure for money but I think that GSP has demonstrated that he has other motivations than money.

 

[PurpleStorm]

It's probably about money.

 

[kuroro]

We know gsp supposedly walked away and was supposed to fight whitaker ..

but in the grand scheme of things .. who gives a shit ??

he is UFC material... HOF fuqn GOAT status and you wanna not see the fight ?

s it because it hurts the brand ? have a guy come out of "retirement" and beat a dominant champ ? does that take away from what we seen Khabib do ?

we wanted Jones vs. Silva ( think we know now Jones woulda won) but still

Gsp Vs. Silva ( Hard Call but probably Silva due to GSP being timid and scared to shoot .. )

Fedor vs. Brock ( who knows UFC probably would have let brock juice the fuck out to get the W)


fuck Dana I've been watching since a kid when you had to go to the unrated section and get a VHS tape ..

what's the real deal behind not making these fights ???


cause I don't know, and blaming the fighters for not making the deal is BS ..





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ok done crying now ... break time is over

Like Ive always said: dana white doesn't make fights, he keeps fights from being made.

 

[nhbfan8080]

We know gsp supposedly walked away and was supposed to fight whitaker ..

but in the grand scheme of things .. who gives a shit ??
he is UFC material... HOF fuqn GOAT status and you wanna not see the fight ?
............

Its a nice fight for the fans but the UFC can't use that fight to make other matches. Since GSP/Khabib are probably going to be on 1 fight deals from now on and are not going to hang around to defend the belt.

 

[stormofshadow]

 

[MMAart]

True, but at the same time, does it really matter if a fighter goes undefeated and then leaves the sport forever? He doesn't pass the torch, but he's not suddenly going to a competitor.

The UFC is pretty good at promoting a new champion too, just look at Deiveson now. Cejudo left and Deiveson quickly got the #1 spot. The LW division is so deep that you'll have a new credible champion within a year.

Cejudo is not on the same level as Khabib in terms of dominance, excitement, or popularity. This was the reason why when Cejudo said he is retiring, the UFC basically ignored him.

In addition, Cejudo does not have a dominant win over the current champion. Khabib, on the other hand, finished all of the top guys (minus Ferguson) who are most likely going to become champion now that Khabib is gone. Last but most importantly, the current most popular LW, Conor, has been finished by Khabib.

As for a popular fighter not passing the torch, from my observation of how the UFC do their matchmaking and how they react when a fighter retires undefeated (GSP), I believe they really want a fighter to pass the torch / lose to a new fighter they want to promote (Robert Whittaker).

 

[JRY82]

He can't control him

 

[Kwic]

GSP isn't easy to control/manipulate/leverage in negotiations; GSP walked away from two divisions as the champion without losing, which makes promoting the successor a lot more difficult.

That about sums up why Dana doesn't want to make GSP vs. Nurmagomedov.

The weird thing is Dana said not long ago that he sees GSP as one of the possible opponents for Khabib. Not sure why he changed his mind.
Both Khabib and GSP won't be defending the title after this fight so it's a perfect money grab. It's a no brainer. It baffles me that both Khabib and GSP would do it but the UFC doesn't want it.
Maybe UFC would do it but Dana is like: I hate GSP's guts so if you wanna go ahead with this fight then go ahead but I'm leaving if you do that.

 

[FIGHTING TALK]

Younger GSP beats Khabib in my opinion, and fairly easily -- simply too much size difference.
Current GSP loses to Khabib (and most UFC WW's) because he's almost 40 and has had one fight in six years. People are picturing 32 year old GSP fighting Khabib, but unless there's a time machine around, that's not an option. GSP is now old and very rusty, a horrible combination.

I can't imagine paying to watch that fight given GSP's age. And though of course many people would pay anyway, I suspect enough people are like me (ie think that age matters) that it'd make a big cut into revenues.

GSP’s ground game is only improving though, his Jiu Jitsu is off the chart and has been since he took a break after the Hendricks fight. Most people don’t realise just how much harder he has worked on his grappling without fights on the horizon to concentrate on.
Personally I would favour him in a grappling match versus Khabib, there are not many higher level grapplers than GSP in the UFC.

 

[MMAudit]

Its a nice fight for the fans but the UFC can't use that fight to make other matches. Since GSP/Khabib are probably going to be on 1 fight deals from now on and are not going to hang around to defend the belt.

I think everyone understands that part ...

but they both are "done" so he already lost them .... so they gotta do something with the belt anyways

 

[DagOban**]

What Dana says, thinks and does are three completely different things.

God knows what's going on really.

 

[TheWave111]

The weird thing is Dana said not long ago that he sees GSP as one of the possible opponents for Khabib. Not sure why he changed his mind.
Both Khabib and GSP won't be defending the title after this fight so it's a perfect money grab. It's a no brainer. It baffles me that both Khabib and GSP would do it but the UFC doesn't want it.
Maybe UFC would do it but Dana is like: I hate GSP's guts so if you wanna go ahead with this fight then go ahead but I'm leaving if you do that.

It's very clear what Dana wants.
He wants Khabib as a champion and Conrat challenging for the belt.
That's the order for a succesfull ppv.

If Conrat wins against Poirier the UFC will hype Conrat and make him look like someone who really can beat Khabib.
They will bring all the excuses that he didn't train, was out for 2 years, ring rust.
'Conor never looked so good and in shape.'
'This Conor and this performance is much better than the Conor against Alvarez.'

It's very toxic the UFC and their controlled media who are hyping a fighter who won 1 fight in lightweight for more than 4 years.
Khabib did a great job by not entertaining this circus.

How come the media are all Conrat nutthuggers?

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

GSP’s ground game is only improving though, his Jiu Jitsu is off the chart and has been since he took a break after the Hendricks fight. Most people don’t realise just how much harder he has worked on his grappling without fights on the horizon to concentrate on.
Personally I would favour him in a grappling match versus Khabib, there are not many higher level grapplers than GSP in the UFC.

Technique improves as you get older in grappling, in striking, and in fact, in many sporting actions. Unfortunately the ability to apply that improved technique against a resisting opponent decreases, in part because of slowing reflexes (ie you react too slow to apply the technique in its limited window of opportunity), in part because of declining conditioning (both because your recovery slows so you can't train as hard without overtraining, and because your limits decrease as your body wears down). GSP's skills are no doubt improving. So do the skills of every judo and wrestling Olympic medalist. Unfortunately they start losing anyway (usually long before they hit even 35) because their bodies are too old to apply those skills the way they did when they were younger.

I'd bet on Khabib in a grappling match against GSP today, for the same reason I'd bet on an active 32 year old Olympic wrestler (even a non-medal winning one) against a 38 year old wrestler who'd won a couple of Olympic gold years ago, but had only competed in one tournment in six years. Age and inactivity are very unforgiving.

 

[JohnnyDragon]

Dana doesn't have leverage over GSP. Dana likes to always be in control. There's your reason.

 

[Joshuagilbert91]

There's no upside for Dana, other than a huge PPV. If GSP wins, he'll take the LW Title and retire. If Khabib wins, he'll retire.

Also if GSP were to beat Khabib, and take the belt, that would mess up Dana wanting Khabib-Conor 2.

And if they were doing it at 165lbs, it would do nothing for Dana if GSP won but as I said above, would hurt the Khabib-Conor 2 fight if Khabib comes in off of a loss.

 

[jjjjjjjjjjohnny]

i suspect that if it takes GSP to bring him back for his 30-0 attempt, it will happen. My guess is that he wants to do connor vs. khabib 2 because it will bring in the most money for the UFC and a great way to ensure a big media MMA event.

 

[FIGHTING TALK]

Technique improves as you get older in grappling, in striking, and in fact, in many sporting actions. Unfortunately the ability to apply that improved technique against a resisting opponent decreases, in part because of slowing reflexes (ie you react too slow to apply the technique in its limited window of opportunity), in part because of declining conditioning (both because your recovery slows so you can't train as hard without overtraining, and because your limits decrease as your body wears down). GSP's skills are no doubt improving. So do the skills of every judo and wrestling Olympic medalist. Unfortunately they start losing anyway (usually long before they hit even 35) because their bodies are too old to apply those skills the way they did when they were younger.

I'd bet on Khabib in a grappling match against GSP today, for the same reason I'd bet on an active 32 year old Olympic wrestler (even a non-medal winning one) against a 38 year old wrestler who'd won a couple of Olympic gold years ago, but had only competed in one tournment in six years. Age and inactivity are very unforgiving.

Generally I do agree. However youre missing my point; GSP’s grappling has improved since the Hendricks fight to a degree you are not willing to accept. With no way of proving it you will just have to trust me on this.
Something tells me that Khabib is not doing what GSP did to Bisping on the ground, obviously the fight being at middleweight means a lot, but still, I rate GSP’s ground game as exceptional even at world title level. I rate Khabib’s wrestling and control as exceptional but not his overall submission grappling game. However I’ll concede there cannot possibly be much in it, but GSP has a vital edge on the ground from the leaps he has made since retiring, add this to the weight disparency and GSP comes out clearly ahead.