Why is child birth 100% a woman's choice?

[Banchan]

>its the womans choice to do whatever she wants
>but its not the mans choice to do whatever he wants

murdering a child is worse than having it raised by the mother

This is such a weird statement from someone who has sex with prostitutes. Like you aquire the services of women who have probably aborted hundreds if not thousands of fetuses annualy yet you are against abortion. Then wouldnt it make sense not to contribute or hang out with prostitutes before getting judgey about abortions?

 

[Pwent]

This is such a weird statement from someone who has sex with prostitutes. Like you aquire the services of women who have probably aborted hundreds of fetuses combined yet you are against abortion. Then wouldnt it make sense not to contribute or hang out with prostitutes before getting judgey about abortions?

i had sex with a girl who was a prostitute, but ive never hired a prostitute for sex

weird that youre so bothered that i bang a lot of asian girls, when you moved to canada just to get a white boyfriend

 

[HomerThompson]

Ya'll motherfuckers need Jesus, and I don't even believe in him.

 

[Grenz]

Then what is she killing then, and what distinction are you making?

Pointless debate. It's been had by much more capable thinkers than you and I. We both know where we stand, and I'm sure the feeling is mutual when I say that some dude on Sherdog won't present me with any ideas that haven't already been debated ad nauseam.

You want to discuss whether abortion is murder, I came here to discuss why a man shouldn't be able to simply absolve himself of the responsibility of fatherhood. If you want to get into the former, make your own thread.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

But equality doesn't apply here because the men and woman are not equal in the scenario.

Agreed. This is why even though current law allows the woman to elect to kill her baby before a certain point in the pregnancy, I didn't suggest that the man have the same choice to terminate the life of the child.

The woman being able to terminate the pregnancy is based on a person's right to choose what to do with their own body.

The obvious complication to this statement is that the woman is inherently making a choice about her baby's body too.

Once the child is born they should become equal again. So if a father wins custody the woman should pay child support same way a man would have to.

Sure, we all agree that once the child is born the parents should equally share the burden.

But that isn't the question. Although we act as the woman is choosing what to do with her own body, her choice has massive implications for both the baby and the father. Pro-abortion law doesn't care whether the baby lives or dies prior to a certain date, so let's set that aside for the moment. Why should the male have no binding input about something that will be a massive financial burden for him?

If a woman can kill a baby to make her life more convenient, why can't a man operating in the same time frame choose to neglect a baby to make his life more convenient.

What we've really done is taken a fundamentally multi-person process and empowered only one person to decide the outcome for two others. I am very pro-commitment when it comes to fatherhood, but it is a very cynical form of sexism to hold men to that while basing motherhood on the woman's convenience.

 

[Greoric]

Pointless debate. It's been had by much more capable thinkers than you and I. We both know where we stand, and I'm sure the feeling is mutual when I say that some dude on Sherdog won't present me with any ideas that haven't already been debated ad nauseam.

Ditto mother fucker. I bid you adieu and good night.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

She has the right to control her own body, as long as she doesn't harm another living, fully realized person doing it.

Hahahahahahaha!
Fully realised?
My god.

Perfectly vague, meaningless term you're using there to try and categorise a group whose rights you'd like to deny.
Should probably work on the specificity of your language use, though, because you're basically justifying murder for the sake of convenience with the vaguery of your word choice.

I mean, if it's alright to kill people who are not "fully realised" who the hell can't I kill?

 

[Banchan]

i had sex with a girl who was a prostitute, but ive never hired a prostitute for sex

weird that youre so bothered that i bang a lot of asian girls, when you moved to canada just to get a white boyfriend

You do realize sex workers utilize abortions more than anyone right? You enjoy using sex workers, you are contributing to abortion statistics while getting on your soapbox explaining that fetuses are people. Its just kind of a weird argument from someone like you. Usually you expect to hear this kind of thing from people who see sex as sacred like ripskater not a dude that travels the world looking for prostitutes.

 

[Pwent]

You do realize sex workers utilize abortions more than anyone right? You enjoy using sex workers, you are contributing to abortion statistics while getting on your soapbox explaining that fetuses are people. Its just kind of a weird argument from someone like you. Usually you expect to hear this kind of thing from people who see sex as sacred like ripskater not a dude that travels the world looking for prostitutes.

if you actually read the thread, im pro choice. i am morally opposed to abortions but i believe in the right to do it

lol at falsely accusing me of travelling the world looking for prostitutes while ignoring that you traveled the world to find a white boyfriend

 

[Grenz]

Ditto mother fucker. I bid you adieu and good night.

 

[HomerThompson]

Hahahahahahaha!
Fully realised?
My god.

Perfectly vague, meaningless term you're using there to try and categorise a group whose rights you'd like to deny.
Should probably work on the specificity of your language use, though, because you're basically justifying murder for the sake of convenience with the vaguery of your word choice.

I mean, if it's alright to kill people who are not "fully realised" who the hell can't I kill?

Shaddup.

 

[HomerThompson]

What's up @Greoric? Where're the responses?

 

[snakedafunky]

If a woman can kill a baby to make her life more convenient, why can't a man operating in the same time frame choose to neglect a baby to make his life more convenient.

What we've really done is taken a fundamentally multi-person process and empowered only one person to decide the outcome for two others. I am very pro-commitment when it comes to fatherhood, but it is a very cynical form of sexism to hold men to that while basing motherhood on the woman's convenience.

Because it is not about the woman making her life more convenient. This might be one of the outcomes.
The objective of the abortions is not to kill the baby or make life more convenient for the woman.
It's to simply remove the something from the person body that they don't want.

Once the child is born both should have the same financial obligation.
But I do understand your argument. I just feel that the right for the woman to choose trumps all other factors.
Because it comes down to a person being able to decide about their own body.

 

[Banchan]

if you actually read the thread, im pro choice. i am morally opposed to abortions but i believe in the right to do it

lol at falsely accusing me of travelling the world looking for prostitutes while ignoring that you traveled the world to find a white boyfriend

If you got a prostitute pregnant would you still be adamant that she keep it and you would be absolutely fine having a child with a prostitute? And conceiving this child while you were johning?

 

[Greoric]

What's up @Greoric? Where're the responses?

Got to call it in tonight bro. Sorry mate.

 

[Banchan]

i had sex with a girl who was a prostitute, but ive never hired a prostitute for sex

weird that youre so bothered that i bang a lot of asian girls, when you moved to canada just to get a white boyfriend

You said you paid for a blow job. Evertime i ask you minimize your relationship with hookers more and more. Its simply astounding that you have no problem with prostitution but think that abortion is morally wrong. Should prostitutes have every single unintended pregnancy from work and see them to full term births? You think that those children will be happy they are the result of prostitution and their mom is a hooker? Is that morally more sound than abortion?

 

[Pwent]

You said you paid for a blow job. Evertime i ask you minimize your relationship with hookers more and more. Its simply astounding that you have no problem with prostitution but think that abortion is morally wrong. Should prostitutes have every single unintended pregnancy from work and see them to full term births? You think that those children will be happy they are the result of prostitution and their mom is a hooker? Is that morally more sound than abortion?

>ive never hired a prostitute for sex
>YES YOU DID YOU PAID FOR A BLOWJOB

a blowjob is not sex

you sound so mad because ive proven your coveted asian knowledge wrong multiple times

 

[Banchan]

>ive never hired a prostitute for sex
>YES YOU DID YOU PAID FOR A BLOWJOB

a blowjob is not sex

you sound so mad because ive proven your coveted asian knowledge wrong multiple times

You used their services as do other men who get them pregnant and leave.

Could you answer the question about having a child with a prostitute?

 

[HomerThompson]

>ive never hired a prostitute for sex
>YES YOU DID YOU PAID FOR A BLOWJOB

a blowjob is not sex

you sound so mad because ive proven your coveted asian knowledge wrong multiple times

That depends on what the meaning of is is.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Shaddup.

Lol. No, seriously, this is fun.

Can I kill cripples?
Are they "fully realised" people?
Gays? Pretty sure I could define homosexuality (especially without the intent to breed or adopt) as lacking "full realisation" of the human condition.
The uneducated? Are they "fully realised"?
The spiritually barren?
How about kids with Down Syndrome? I'm sure you'd advocate preventing their existence while they're still in the womb, for convenience' sake, but how about after they're born? They're still a burden, so the only question is: are they "fully realised"?

Heck, I bet it wouldn't be too hard to justify defining a woman who doesn't want to be a mother as not being "fully realised". Can I kill her?

Is someone who is not "fully realised" the same as someone who has not reached their potential? Much like the unborn fetus has not reached its potential. If that's the case, we might as well just kill everyone.
Though, maybe it would be better to kill people who are "fully realised". I mean, when you've reached the top, attained full realisation of your human potential, what's the point in going on? Might as well make room for someone with a bit of room to grow.

Or maybe "fully realised" is the same as fully-formed?
I think we could get into all sorts of interesting moral places if that's the case.