Why is child birth 100% a woman's choice?

[luckyshot]

It's not fair, TS, no. But it is natural. Is it fair that a man can never know the "joy" of breast feeding a child?

Is it fair that after a random fuck a man can go about his business while a woman might is left with a biological growth that may kill her?

None of this is fair.

As far as child support goes, that's a decision society has made out of its own collective best interest.

 

[Drenalin]

I accidentally got a girl pregnant. Still can't believe I did nor did she ever prove to me she was really pregnant. She swore she was & that I was the only person she was with. She wanted an abortion & I did not. Nothing I could do about it. She told me the doctors said she was already most likely having a miscarriage anyway, but I wasn't sure whether or not to believe her, though signs did point to a possible miscarriage.

It's still something that bothers me to this day. If I could have, I would've raised the kid myself. Unforntunately men can't force women to give birth. It's not our choice.

 

[Fawlty]

It's strange when people like TS faux-concede that "it's her body" but then immediately ignore that for the duration of their argument- yet it happens almost every time. It's typically followed by an immediate appeal to the less important rights of the person whose bodily autonomy is not compromised. So it's a phony way to argue. Don't do that.

 

[Undying Poster]

What do you think your Dad or Grandfather would say if you explained to them you want to serve some papers to get out of paying for your child?
Now strengthening fathers rights to get custody I am all for it.
But not be willing to pay for your child is a pussy move.

Because you are the man. If you do the crime you do the time.

lol, but women on the other hand are just grown up children who can just choose to murder her own unborn baby because she wants to fuck around for a few more years

I'm not defending the idea that men shouldn't pay for their children if they don't feel like it, but if we're going to allow abortion, we better be willing to at least hear that side of the argument.

You can't insult a man for not wanting to pay for a child he had from a woman he doesn't love but have sympathy for a dumb skank that fucks irresponsible men without a condom

 

[Drenalin]

This doesn't involve abortion but I'm in a fucked up pregnancy situation right now.

My girlfriend & I decided to have kids together. She was the one who first asked me to have kids with her. So she gets pregnant as soon as we start trying. 3 weeks after she found out she was pregnant, she left me. She said shes unhappy with me & she wants to be alone.

This was not my idea of being a father. She has me changing my whole life to be a single father, after she just agreed to have kids together. Basically she bailed on our commitment.

I'm honestly thinking about making her pay child support to me. I plan on having the babies (yes twins) 50 % of the time. That means I'll have to work less & have more expenses. That's the price she'll have to pay for asking someone to have kids & then leaving them right away for selfish reasons.

A bit off topic, but another aspect of men not having a choice in being a parent.

 

[Deleted member 499399]

If having or not having a child is the womans choice then, the father shouldn't have to pay any child support if he does not want to have the kid.

But of course that is way too logical for our idiotic world to fathom.

Are you saying that a man should be able to force a woman to abort his child?

 

[Deleted member 499399]

This doesn't involve abortion but I'm in a fucked up pregnancy situation right now.

My girlfriend & I decided to have kids together. She was the one who first asked me to have kids with her. So she gets pregnant as soon as we start trying. 3 weeks after she found out she was pregnant, she left me. She said shes unhappy with me & she wants to be alone.

This was not my idea of being a father. She has me changing my whole life to be a single father, after she just agreed to have kids together. Basically she bailed on our commitment.

I'm honestly thinking about making her pay child support to me. I plan on having the babies (yes twins) 50 % of the time. That means I'll have to work less & have more expenses. That's the price she'll have to pay for asking someone to have kids & then leaving them right away for selfish reasons.

A bit off topic, but another aspect of men not having a choice in being a parent.

How long were you dating before making this decision?

 

[Grenz]

i am pro choice even though im morally opposed to abortion


i just think if women are able to have abortions, then men should be able to opt out of parenting too. for example, a man could serve her with a notice saying he waives all rights to the child, and be free from child support payments and responsibilities, should the woman carry out the pregnancy. If women can force men to be fathers after they want the baby aborted, then men should be able to block the abortion if they want to be fathers.

What kind of a fucking asshole would disown their child before it's even born?

 

[Drenalin]

How long were you dating before making this decision?

6 months. I know, not long. We'd been living together for 5 months & spent literally all of our free time together, so it wasn't your average 6 months. I've actually never gotten that close to anyone else my whole life.

She told me she loved me, she was never leaving me & she wanted to have kids with me. I fucked up by trusting her.

 

[Islam Imamate]

6 months. I know, not long. We'd been living together for 5 months & spent literally all of our free time together, so it wasn't your average 6 months. I've actually never gotten that close to anyone else my whole life.

She told me she loved me, she was never leaving me & she wanted to have kids with me. I fucked up by trusting her.

I remember your thread.

Yeah bruh you done goofed by knocking up a girl you knew only for six months. Only time that makes sense is if its an arranged marriage and you met her for the first time on your wedding day or something.

 

[Islam Imamate]

What kind of a fucking asshole would disown their child before it's even born?

More or less the same kind that would abort their child I suppose.

 

[nostradumbass]

What do you think your Dad or Grandfather would say if you explained to them you want to serve some papers to get out of paying for your child?
Now strengthening fathers rights to get custody I am all for it.
But not be willing to pay for your child is a pussy move.

Because you are the man. If you do the crime you do the time.

That's true. My sisters are both married and have a bunch of kids, but if I had a hypothetical sister who had an abortion, I would honestly never talk to her again.

 

[Pwent]

What kind of a fucking asshole would disown their child before it's even born?

the male version of a woman who has an abortion because she doesnt want to be a mom

 

[Stoic1]

Entirely a womans choice you say?

 

[snakedafunky]

lol, but women on the other hand are just grown up children who can just choose to murder her own unborn baby because she wants to fuck around for a few more years

No, I didn't say that. They will have to live with the consequences of their actions as well. Just different ones from the man.

I'm not defending the idea that men shouldn't pay for their children if they don't feel like it, but if we're going to allow abortion, we better be willing to at least hear that side of the argument.

Sure its always good to listen to the arguments. But we can't give a person the right to decide over another persons body in this case. That's what it will always come down for me at least.

You can't insult a man for not wanting to pay for a child he had from a woman he doesn't love but have sympathy for a dumb skank that fucks irresponsible men without a condom

Of course, I can. I mean I understand why he doesn't want to pay it. I wouldn't want to pay it either but I would still do it because I deal with the consequences of my actions.
The consequences are that there now is child that needs taking care of.
Everyones knows full well that if you have sexual realtions with a woman there is always the chance of a pregnancy.
You take the risk and the pleasure you have to live with the consequences.

 

[Grenz]

More or less the same kind that would abort their child I suppose.

the male version of a woman who has an abortion because she doesnt want to be a mom

False equivalence. In one instance you're preventing a life from shaping. In the other, you're robbing a life that is shaping of a father, which isn't good for the child or society.

 

[Drenalin]

I remember your thread.

Yeah bruh you done goofed by knocking up a girl you knew only for six months. Only time that makes sense is if its an arranged marriage and you met her for the first time on your wedding day or something.

Yep but too late now. I made the mistake of trusting her. She made the mistake of leaving me & she'll realize that someday.

This will be a rare situation where the woman is paying the man child support. She's already trying to avoid going to court, but too bad. As of right now I make more money, but once I have the babies Monda-Thursday, I won't have near as much income. There's no way she'll be able to afford to live & I won't feel sorry for her one bit. That's karma

 

[steelcity77]

False equivalence. In one instance you're preventing a life from shaping. In the other, you're robbing a life that is shaping of a father, which isn't good for the child or society.

great post .. can't really argue this ..


it just all comes down to the fact that you were having sex .. like someone mentioned .. you're sexually active so you're aware that there's a chance she may become pregnant .. so you can't just decide to back out of the responsibility if the kid is born .. well you can but it's not cool

if you're not ready or willing to be a father, don't have sex .. simple as that .. and don't come with the 'that's not possible we all need sex' .. ok cool .. if you need sex then prepare for the possibility of being a father .. can't have it both ways

 

[Pwent]

False equivalence. In one instance you're preventing a life from shaping. In the other, you're robbing a life that is shaping of a father, which isn't good for the child or society.

both opt out of their duties as a parent after the pregnancy happens

youre assuming that the fetus is not already a life, it can be argued that you arent preventing a life from happening, but murdering it

 

[Greoric]

Because it's what's best for society. A woman has a right to control her own body. If she chooses to have the child, it's best for the kid and for society for the father to be as responsible as he can be made to be. If you want to run away from taking care of your child you can go live in some shithole country or on a deserted island.

Why does she have a right to control her own body, and does that right only extend to the right to kill fetuses, or?