Why hasn't Shaolin Monk training been embraced by MMA fighters? (VIDEO)

[Noodles03]

This was interesting.

 

[FighterTwister]

This was interesting.

Answer is: NO!

It was already done and it does not translate well.

So NO to MMA/UFC rule set........ but in life or death situation no referee, no cameras, no jail time, like a secret fight they will show you what the forms and demos are all about in an A-Class finish.

But Shaolin are also monks "TAOISTS" who focus and live with a different mind set to western cultural understanding, this why the two types will never meet.

You have to accept and understand many things before it all clicks and makes sense something that a western approach does not consider.

Yeah sure your going to laugh but there is a culture and a system of belief in the Shaolin that makes it what it is, respect it or not, thats on you to decide.

However the Chinese government is another issue to deal with they won't allow certain things because of its history with social disorder.

This discussion is so weirdly funny, does anyone here study Martial Arts or do people just like a good knock about in an octagon/ring!

"Oranges and Apples"....... dear fellows!

Now watch the skill and talent a demo of course................



TAOISM

Good reading link:- https://interactchina.wordpress.com/tag/taolist-philosophy/

 

[JKD sanda]

Oh dear me, are you implying I have no commonsense, why? do you really think i am stupid and was born yesterday.

If a lucky punch connects to a jawline and sparks out after hyper-extension its lights out, we all know that!

However TMA or in modern terms military application martial art training would mean a complete different approach to a fight and intent and application of techniques and that includes the fact that its a hard thing to do not some sparring or UFC match but hard survival tactics or die on the battlefield.

Hard to explain online but you got to respect the difference if you don't that is a very arrogant and ignorant understanding of the Martial Arts, and disrespectful to say the least!

I found these videos to somewhat illustrate some of the intents and differences, of course these are demos they wouldn't film real combat footage would they.

So watch and at least respect the difference.............











NO GLOVES, NO SHIN PADS, NO REFEREE LOL

These videos don't show much only a glimpse by definition only a mere look at the training and willingness to undergo intense training and real life combat threat and readiness.

These guys are commandos, special forces, elite soldiers, special secret agents trained in martial arts with many skills and abilities.

Its not a sport once you enlist to take upon such responsibilities in this chosen career in Military Special Forces as an example.

So why would anyone think UFC/MMA is equal to this makes me laugh!

UFC/MMA is all an illusion for entertainment, reality is much, much more violent and takes a certain type of person to go the distance to be an elite Special Forces Soldier, many don't cut the mustard some spew up on the first training day, some just don't have what it takes when they need to move, they freeze and fail and resign from the training course.

I hope I have helped to at least clear what are the differences of a sport and real combat.

Interesting discussion regardless.

https://youtu.be/lPY1prcqmqk. Even the Thai have military version of mauy Thai . North Korean MA forced South Korea to changes it MA program after NK commando took it 3 ROK soldiers quickly. It’s called Tukong Moosul

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

The vast majority of what is taught in modern day Shaolin is performance wushu aka circus de soleil and some Sanda. The cultural revolution effectively saw and end to the temple and then the government revived it with that nonsense due to tourist interest.

Amusingly enough if one wants authentic shaolin stuff they have to go outside of the temples to the multitude of styles that branched out of there and became available to the layman.

As for Yi Long he wasn't even an ordained monk. So hes a pretender pretending to be a pretender.

 

[moonwolf]

Answer is: NO!

It was already done and it does not translate well.

So NO to MMA/UFC rule set........ but in life or death situation no referee, no cameras, no jail time, like a secret fight they will show you what the forms and demos are all about in an A-Class finish.

But Shaolin are also monks "TAOISTS" who focus and live with a different mind set to western cultural understanding, this why the two types will never meet.

You have to accept and understand many things before it all clicks and makes sense something that a western approach does not consider.

Yeah sure your going to laugh but there is a culture and a system of belief in the Shaolin that makes it what it is, respect it or not, thats on you to decide.

However the Chinese government is another issue to deal with they won't allow certain things because of its history with social disorder.

This discussion is so weirdly funny, does anyone here study Martial Arts or do people just like a good knock about in an octagon/ring!

"Oranges and Apples"....... dear fellows!

Now watch the skill and talent a demo of course................



TAOISM

Good reading link:- https://interactchina.wordpress.com/tag/taolist-philosophy/

Taoism and Buddhism are 2 different things. shaolin monks are buddhist. you're an idiot.

 

[FighterTwister]

. Even the Thai have military version of mauy Thai . North Korean MA forced South Korea to changes it MA program after NK commando took it 3 ROK soldiers quickly. It’s called Tukong Moosul

Yes, the majority if not all TMA’s have been transferred to military use and application.... this is what people don’t understand the seriousness of intent where all this mma hype has brought nothing but confusion.

TMA’s Rule Forever!

 

[JKD sanda]

It's nonsense. If your art relies on things like eye pokes or ball kicks to be effective and you fought an MMA fighter in 'real combat' you would lose. What is an eye poke except a jab with the fingers extended? Who is going to be better at it - the guy that's trained the jab for years, learning the distance management, footwork, accuracy, speed, not telegraphing with live sparring against a resisting opponent, or the guy that's been eye poking air for years since his techniques are 'too deadly' to spar with?

Same goes for almost all techniques banned under MMA rules. I'll trust the guy that routinely trains elbows with aliveness to use a good 12-6 elbow over someone doing kata that can't spar their deadly techniques.

This why MA need change and return back to its original purpose combatives. I’m not saying a MA will be effective but many could be instead of water down version many see today . Yes sport fighting is different than combatives . but similar as long real sparring involved and training if that makes since

 

[JKD sanda]

Yes, the majority if not all TMA’s have been transferred to military use and application.... this is what people don’t understand the seriousness of intent where all this mma hype has brought nothing but confusion.

TMA’s Rule Forever!

MA began as military MA Pretty much all of them .thats why swords techniques are found in many. It was part of our combatives. Boxing and wrestling didn’t start as sports but survival on the battlefield

 

[FighterTwister]

Taoism and Buddhism are 2 different things. shaolin monks are buddhist. you're an idiot.

Haha, did you even read the post or click the link and read it!

Daoism is a philosophy of belief I was addressing, that went right over your head didn’t it LoL

Budism is their religion, we are not talking religion.

Also insults show a reduced manner of intellect, put your manners back in, it makes you look foolish.

No harm or skin off my nose carry on lol

 

[FighterTwister]

MA began as military MA Pretty much all of them .thats why swords techniques are found in many. It was part of our combatives. Boxing and wrestling didn’t start as sports but survival on the battlefield

Yes I know that, but more so now TMA’s are watered down and all is kept tight in military quarters due to growing terrorism is what I meant by that.

In other words TMA’s returning to roots, if you now get my meaning..... lol

Sadly, to say!

 

[JKD sanda]

Yes I know that, but more so now TMA’s are watered down and all is kept tight in military quarters due to growing terrorism is what I meant by that.

In other words TMA’s returning to roots, if you now get my meaning..... lol

Sadly, to say!

Why sadly to say ?

 

[FighterTwister]

Why sadly to say ?

TMA's have for some time now been watered down and many closures of Dojo’s and Kwoons. All I see is mma hype, many teachers are hard pressed to due diligence and responsibility,in fear of getting caught teaching wrong people, which I agree. I have spoken to some TMA teachers thats why I know whats happening out there.

That’s the sad part to be clear!

 

[ocean size]

Daoism is a philosophy of belief I was addressing, that went right over your head didn’t it LoL

Budism is their religion, we are not talking religion.

Also insults show a reduced manner of

You are missing the mark. Taoism is a religion in China as well. It has also influenced martial arts, but not the Shaolin, which is Buddhist. Two separate religions so it doesn't make sense to call Shaolin Taoists.

The Wudang martial arts like Tai chi are Taoist.

 

[ocean size]

So NO to MMA/UFC rule set........ but in life or death situation no referee, no cameras, no jail time, like a secret fight they will show you what the forms and demos are all about in an A-Class finish.

I'm curious though, in the life or death no rules fight, how do you see the Shaolin monk beating the MMA fighter? What do you think the monk can do that the MMA guy can't in that situation?

 

[FighterTwister]

@ocean size, you are reaching, pulling at straws ......have fun knock yourself out there fella.

What I said earlier is fine and on topic

Not going to type a thesis discussing China’s history lol.

However, you are intentionally derailing the thread like for what lol ..... not a bright spark are you. Oh well, one can only discuss until it gets juvenile.

I would have hoped for better discussion rather than the later.

 

[Hotora86]

I know that this is a shit thread with a shit premise but I'll try to turn it into something worthwhile for you guys.

Interestingly, there are 2 fighters in the UFC who have undergone years of traditional Shaolin-style Kung Fu training: Zabit (16-1) and Salikhov (13-2). Please enjoy the below mini documentary by MMW:

 

[JKD sanda]

https://youtu.be/G8LRSD1v8JY. Yes Kung fu conditioning can cross over if the training and sparring with Sanda . Here 2 videos both good fighter

 

[Jack Stevonovich]

Oh dear me, are you implying I have no commonsense, why? do you really think i am stupid and was born yesterday.

If a lucky punch connects to a jawline and sparks out after hyper-extension its lights out, we all know that!

However TMA or in modern terms military application martial art training would mean a complete different approach to a fight and intent and application of techniques and that includes the fact that its a hard thing to do not some sparring or UFC match but hard survival tactics or die on the battlefield.

Hard to explain online but you got to respect the difference if you don't that is a very arrogant and ignorant understanding of the Martial Arts, and disrespectful to say the least!

I found these videos to somewhat illustrate some of the intents and differences, of course these are demos they wouldn't film real combat footage would they.

So watch and at least respect the difference.............











NO GLOVES, NO SHIN PADS, NO REFEREE LOL

These videos don't show much only a glimpse by definition only a mere look at the training and willingness to undergo intense training and real life combat threat and readiness.

These guys are commandos, special forces, elite soldiers, special secret agents trained in martial arts with many skills and abilities.

Its not a sport once you enlist to take upon such responsibilities in this chosen career in Military Special Forces as an example.

So why would anyone think UFC/MMA is equal to this makes me laugh!

UFC/MMA is all an illusion for entertainment, reality is much, much more violent and takes a certain type of person to go the distance to be an elite Special Forces Soldier, many don't cut the mustard some spew up on the first training day, some just don't have what it takes when they need to move, they freeze and fail and resign from the training course.

I hope I have helped to at least clear what are the differences of a sport and real combat.

Interesting discussion regardless.

It's not any of that what it is though is that he is making an argument that you have no intelligent defense from so instead you have resigned yourself to being the wing chun troll that refuses to learn from or respect cultures outside the scope of your self limiting belief system.

 

[ocean size]

Oh dear me, are you implying I have no commonsense, why? do you really think i am stupid and was born yesterday.

If a lucky punch connects to a jawline and sparks out after hyper-extension its lights out, we all know that!

However TMA or in modern terms military application martial art training would mean a complete different approach to a fight and intent and application of techniques and that includes the fact that its a hard thing to do not some sparring or UFC match but hard survival tactics or die on the battlefield.

Hard to explain online but you got to respect the difference if you don't that is a very arrogant and ignorant understanding of the Martial Arts, and disrespectful to say the least!

I found these videos to somewhat illustrate some of the intents and differences, of course these are demos they wouldn't film real combat footage would they.

So watch and at least respect the difference.............











NO GLOVES, NO SHIN PADS, NO REFEREE LOL

These videos don't show much only a glimpse by definition only a mere look at the training and willingness to undergo intense training and real life combat threat and readiness.

These guys are commandos, special forces, elite soldiers, special secret agents trained in martial arts with many skills and abilities.

Its not a sport once you enlist to take upon such responsibilities in this chosen career in Military Special Forces as an example.

So why would anyone think UFC/MMA is equal to this makes me laugh!

UFC/MMA is all an illusion for entertainment, reality is much, much more violent and takes a certain type of person to go the distance to be an elite Special Forces Soldier, many don't cut the mustard some spew up on the first training day, some just don't have what it takes when they need to move, they freeze and fail and resign from the training course.

I hope I have helped to at least clear what are the differences of a sport and real combat.

Interesting discussion regardless.

You really haven't demonstrated anything. First, you went from TMA to Military combatives influenced by TMA but I'll bite. All of those videos were staged demos, none of the techniques 'super deadly' or that different from MMA except there were some gun disarms and they aren't practicing with aliveness.

Any effectives combative program will have simulated live training which has "gloves shinpads and referee" because otherwise you can't practice the skills realistically. So again, other than non sporting intent, H2H deadly scenario, what exactly do you think the TMA practitioner can do to an MMA fighter that is no longer bound by a ruleset?

 

[ocean size]

Top 10 Awesome Fighting Skills Learned by SPECIAL FORCES



Allot is kept "CLASSIFIED" by all nations, naturally understandable right, but if you read up on Military Special Forces the programs they have and years of training not forgetting entry requirements it says something about the type of people they are and how elite you have to be in all areas of military combat.

Start here:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_special_forces_units

They will whoop you into shape and gift wrap you for shipping back to your home address! LoL

Enjoy the learning curve...............

Dude the fact the military trains special ops units for a long timr has nothing to do with the subject. I'd still take the MMA fighter in H2H because they also train for years, but only in H2H not in 50 other things that take equal amountsnof their time. Classified or not, if the combatives training is done like your videos with prewritten moves and no sparring, it won't be effective.

@ocean size, you are reaching, pulling at straws ......have fun knock yourself out there fella.

What I said earlier is fine and on topic

Not going to type a thesis discussing China’s history lol.

However, you are intentionally derailing the thread like for what lol ..... not a bright spark are you. Oh well, one can only discuss until it gets juvenile.

I would have hoped for better discussion rather than the later.

Lol the dude who complains when people are insulting starts throwing insults. I've only responded or asked clarification on your posts, so if derailing is occuring it is probably yours.
So again, you are dead wrong calling Shaolin Taoists, and you have stated that Shaolin monks that don't really train with sparring will kill an MMA fighter in a life or death situation but you can't say how. You shouldn't make these claims if you won't even attempt to back them up, and if you say factually incorrect things like Shaolin Taoists expect to get called on it.