Why Gervonta Davis took the knee......

[Seano]

It’s not even up for debate if you take the time to watch the slow mo.
1. Tank’s braid went into his eye when he turned his head. Roach’s punch didn’t even connect.
2. It should 100% be counted as a knockdown because a fighter can’t just take a timeout whenever he wants.

Good post but I disagree with #2. Thats not what the rules say. Well, I mean, yes a fighter can't just take a time out. But a KD is supposed to be called only as result of a legal punch. I think it was more of a foul.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

I don't think they will. Calling a KD is totally the ref's discretion. Davis didn't go down as a result of a punch, in the ref's view. I think it'll be seen as a foul, which the ref warned him about after.

You don't need to go down on a punch. He voluntarily took a knee and the ref did initially rule it a knockdown hence why he started counting.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Maybe Davis can argue he'd have fought more aggressively if it had been ruled a knockdown, but still, should be pretty simple on review if they say it's a knockdown, just adjust the cards.

It was ruled a knockdown at first. Otherwise the ref never would've started counting. The ref stopped counting and voided it when he should've maintained the ruling.

 

[Seano]

You don't need to go down on a punch. He voluntarily took a knee and the ref did initially rule it a knockdown hence why he started counting.

Determination of a Knockdown

It shall be ruled a knockdown when, as a result of a legal blow or series of legal blows, a contestant:

1. Touches the floor with any part of the body other than his/her feet;

2. Is being held up by the ropes, or

3. Is hanging on, through, or over the ropes without the ability to protect him/herself and cannot fall to the floor.

ABC Regulatory Guidelines – Association of Boxing Commissions

www.abcboxing.com

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

ABC Regulatory Guidelines – Association of Boxing Commissions

www.abcboxing.com

This doesn't apply. Local jurisdiction rules take precedence over the ABC's. It's the NYSAC's call.

https://dos.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2018/09/19-nycrr-parts-206-214.pdf

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

It was ruled a knockdown at first. Otherwise the ref never would've started counting. The ref stopped counting and voided it when he should've maintained the ruling.

I mean at the time i thought it had been counted as a knockdown, later on they mentioned it wasn't, i got confused. And with boxing unfortunately I assume there's something nefarious at play rather than a genuine mistake.

 

[Seano]

This doesn't apply. Local jurisdiction rules take precedence over the ABC's. It's the NYSAC's call.

https://dos.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2018/09/19-nycrr-parts-206-214.pdf

If the fight was fought under the Unified rules of the ABC, the ref didn't do anything wrong. Doesn't what you just posted confirm that?

 

[Tatra]

I don't think it really matters.

IMO, he didn't seem hurt and his corner was wiping something out of his eyes between rounds a few times. Its not like it makes him look better to make up a story like that. He even mentioned after the fight that Roach caught him with a few good shots.

The fact he took a knee is proof he was hurt. What a dumb thing to say.

1). If the grease was an issue, why did it take 9 rounds to affect him?
2). Why wasn't he complaining to his corner between rounds before that?
3). Why didn't it affect him after taking the knee? There were 3 more rounds after that, and at no point did he show any discomfort to his eyes in/between those rounds. He would've been blinking non-stop if grease was affecting his vision.
4). The woman who did his hair has come out and said she didn't put grease in it.

He's full of shit.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

If the fight was fought under the Unified rules of the ABC, the ref didn't do anything wrong. Doesn't what you just posted confirm that?

The ref stopped counting and voided the knockdown altogether for a silly reason. That was the wrong call. You can't just erase a knockdown after a count has already started. It's solely up to the athletic commission that sanctioned the contest as to whether an official result is overturned or not. The ABC doesn't decide that.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

I think that the NYSAC will overturn the decision just as they did with Garcia's "win" over Haney. I don't buy that instant replay wasn't available due to a technical difficulty though. That's a load of shit.

Yep I kept asking why instant replay wasn't being utilized or Roaches corner pushing for it.

Lots of rumblings of it potentially getting overturned. Roach is even posting on social media about it now I guess.

 

[Tatra]

He should've lost that round 10-7 for having another point taken off for getting his faced wiped by his corner. But so many boxing rules are rarely applied.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Yep I kept asking why instant replay wasn't being utilized or Roaches corner pushing for it.

Lots of rumblings of it potentially getting overturned. Roach is even posting on social media about it now I guess.

There's a good chance that the knockdown will be counted which would give Roach the win. Otherwise it's a very bad look for the New York State Athletic Commission and Steve Willis. A fighter can't just take a knee and not have that scored against them as a knockdown unless a foul led to it (which wasn't the case here). Just like a glove can't touch the canvas or it's to be treated as a knockdown.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

I'll post it again. This was Floyd's only official "knockdown" in his pro career against Hernandez. Floyd hurt his hand he didn't go down from a punch. After recognizing this he took a knee and the ref correctly ruled it a KD. He also got dropped by Judah since his glove hit the canvas but it was never officially ruled a knockdown when it should've been.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

ABC Regulatory Guidelines – Association of Boxing Commissions

www.abcboxing.com

So if a fighter is tired he can just take a knee and say "something is in my eye" & get a free timeout????
Hahah
Can you give us or show us an example of a guy taking a knee in the middle of the fight not due to a foul where there was no count or repercussions????

There's a good chance that the knockdown will be counted which would give Roach the win. Otherwise it's a very bad look for the New York State Athletic Commission and Steve Willis. A fighter can't just take a knee and not have that scored against them as a knockdown unless a foul led to it (which wasn't the case here). Just like a glove can't touch the canvas or it's to be treated as a knockdown.

Exactly. Plus those 2 strikes prior were very close and could of glanced him. Even if it was an eyelash Especially that left jab. I can't find a good enough view that shows a clear no contact miss.

 

[Seano]

So if a fighter is tired he can just take a knee and say "something is in my eye" & get a free timeout????
Hahah
Can you give us or show us an example of a guy taking a knee in the middle of the fight not due to a foul where there was no count or repercussions????

I showed you what the rules say. I guess if you want to argue against the rules all pro fights are contested under, be my guest. It says what it says. It says if a fighter takes a knee as a result of a punch or accumulation of punches. I don't see any ambiguity or cause for smarminess here.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

I showed you what the rules say. I guess if you want to argue against the rules all pro fights are contested under, be my guest. It says what it says. It says if a fighter takes a knee as a result of a punch or accumulation of punches. I don't see any ambiguity or cause for smarminess here.

Can you prove the left jab that literally made him blink right before the knee didn't land? It looks like minor contact or was grazed.
Even if it just grazed his eye lash. The knee and blink came right after a legal shot.

Smarminess? Care to elaborate???
I just asked for an example to justify or counter the multiple real examples provided in the thread. The Floyd hurt hand being the perfect example & precedent.

 

[Seano]

Can you prove the left jab that literally made him blink right before the knee didn't land? It looks like minor contact or was grazed.
Even if it just grazed his eye lash. The knee and blink came right after a legal shot.

Smarminess? Care to elaborate???
I just asked for an example to justify or counter the multiple real examples provided in the thread. The Floyd hurt hand being the perfect example & precedent.

You're demanding I explain the rules like I wrote them.
I guess we'll see if the results get overturned.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

You're demanding I explain the rules like I wrote them.
I guess we'll see if the results get overturned.

I'm not demanding anything. Lol what?
Just pointing out it's not a clear cut example of the rules spelling out "if a fighter says hair grease got in his eye the knee doesn't count."

Its a normal question in a conversation.

We all know that if there is no foul a fighter can't stop the action after an exchange where they might of got tapped.

Normally I would say since it's a draw just run it back. However I hope NSAC overturns this so there is no loop hole or inconsistency in future fights and hopefully other commissions follow or aren't afraid to do the right thing in retrospect.

Do you confidently believe the left jab didn't land at all?

 

[treelo]

it should have been ruled a knockdown, he took a knee because he was in distress

whether that is caused by punches, a broken fingernail or one of his eyelashes getting in his eye, he took a time out to avoid taking punches

 

[randomg1t]

i think it's hilarious people are arguing that it's not really a knockdown.

as long as he loses a point for it, i don't care what you call it.

he took a knee, which is pretty universal for being knocked down. disputing this is ridiculous, lol. but even if you go that route, he then ran off to his corner so they could wipe his face down, which isn't fucking allowed either. you can't just randomly call on your own corner to fix some shit that's bothering you.

the issue shouldn't even be if he should lose a point. as far as i'm concerned the question is whether or not he should lose more than one.