Why fight top competition for less money in the UFC?

Yes, higher earning potential. The UFC gets more exposure than any other promotion by far. If you are good and have know how to market yourself you can make a lot of money outside of fighting after you get some fans from fighting in the UFC. PVZ isn’t even a good fighter and she’s getting paid outside of fighting. Sugar Sean is making a killing playing video games after earning fans from UFC viewers. The ceiling is much higher in the UFC and that is what higher earning potential means. Conor


You just mentioned some stars who are among like 5% of the roster, at best.
Those who cannot market themselves (without an "it" factor) will never ever get PFL money in the UFC.
In PFL though, they can get UFC champ level money by using their MMA skills only
 
Face it. Except for the hardcores, NOBODY watches the PFL. If you win the tournament it sounds like a great deal. But there’s a whole big picture to look at. And not everybody is in it for the money. But if you want real money. Nothing is better for earning potential than being the UFC Champion.
 
Pretty simple, for one Rory out there, there 100's of Mr. Nobodies who can't get more than a few K from other promoters on damn good day. Even mid level guys will have a hard time producing more than what the UFC offers them. What do think sponsors pay the no name guy in the middle of the card, I bet many Bellator fighters in that position have a hard time clearing a few K from sponsors. Hell, 8 to 10 years ago I forgot who it was but he was fighting for the Championship belt in Bellator and came on Sherdog looking for a hookup. He couldn't find a sponsor at that point and the fight was like 10 days away.
 
Why do they have undisclosed pay? What purpose does it serve? Rather, who's interests does it serve? The UFC's.

Undisclosed pay is used to deflate pay. If everybody knows what everybody else makes, salaries go up. You don't even have to look to sports. It's the same in the business world. It's the same with real estate. Nobody would pay $30 million for a condo without precedents. Real estate agents don't keep prices of sold homes and apartments undisclosed. They make sure to keep them public, because it drives up prices. You wouldn't buy from, say, an electronics store that doesn't have price tags on the items and the sales person tells you, "I have a special offer just for you." You shop around. You compare prices, and items.

This is economics 101.

I have used this example before. Gordie Howe was the biggest star in the NHL in the 1950s and much of the 1960s. No disclosed pay in the NHL back then. Gordie was told by the Red Wings manager that he was the highest paid player in the league. As one would expect. It turned out he wasn't even the highest paid player on the club. He was third highest paid. Was Gordie naive? Of course he was, but he also had little way of knowing.

Then you have the exclusive contracts. NHL teams owned a player for life until the NHLPA was formed in 1967. Teams owned you from the time you were 16 or so. Bobby Hull demanded a raise. He was forced to publicly apologize and crawl back to his club.

How can we stand for this shit going on today? It was bad already in the 1960s.

I agree with you that keeping the fighters from knowing what each other makes keeps pay down and is shady. I also believe the UFC underpays by a lot. And I think the Reebok deal is shit. I was just saying to TS that it's not so simple like "Why not go to the PFL and be a millionaire?"

From the article:

* There will be seven weeks of “regular season” competition, with each fighter guaranteed two fights. These two fights are compensated with traditional “show” and “win” contracts, with each fighter negotiating their own deal, just like traditional MMA pay structure.

* After everyone fights twice, the top eight fighters advance to a single elimination playoff system.

So, to even enter the 8 man tournament for 1million, you first need to take 2 traditional fights (just like UFC).

Then you need to win 2 fights in the same night, and then you need to win the final. As mentioned, best case scenario you would make 1million + whatever you negotiated in your first fights + sponsors. That's pretty sweet, but it requires you to win 5 consecutive fights. If you lose a single one, you're out for a while because PFL doesn't start a season until a few months later (I assume?).

Anyway, this format makes sense for an already accomplished guy who is very confident he can win against most, and who already has a name (like Rory). Wouldn't be a bad option for a hungry young guy that wasn't able to get in the UFC for whatever reason.

For someone who is not that highly ranked, it might be easier to build a brand and get later sponsorships, media jobs, followers and have a long career if you get in the UFC. Using the UFC's "disclosed" figure is bogus, because we know it's not close to the real number. The ceiling in the UFC is higher than 1million. Ultimately, most UFC top contenders, vets and champions make 6 figures and sometimes close to a million in a single fight, plus bonuses, sponsors, etc.
 
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/mmajunk...er-reveal-wsof-millionaire-tournament-mma/amp

PFL has a 10 million dollar fight pool.

six fighters will get paid 1 million plus in this tournament.

Rory Macdonald made $250,000 from sponsors alone fighting Douglas Lima. That’s not counting his actual pay. Then he got the $100,000 from his salary.

Tyrone Woodley made $200,000 for the fight night to fight a killer and isn’t allowed any sponsors lol. Only Reebok.

This goes for non champion level ufc fighters like Rory and now Tyrone. Obviously the champions make more. But for every other fighter on the ufc roster you’re making less money to fight high level fighters.

Why fight the best fighters in the world for less money?

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This happened to mike perry for about 40 grand

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.fightful.com/mma/rory-macdonald-s-bellator-192-sponsorship-payout-better-all-competitors-reebok-payouts-ufc-fight?amp

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.fightful.com/mma/rory-macdonald-s-bellator-192-sponsorship-payout-better-all-competitors-reebok-payouts-ufc-fight?amp
Mike Perry isn't any good. He should be glad to be in the UFC at all.

That aside $40,000 is a lot of money for 2 months of training and one 15-minute fight.
 
I usually argue on the side of the UFC regarding fighter pay but the sponsorship thing is absolute bullshit

Let them have their sponsors
 
You can go 4-1 in the pfl and end making less than 100k.
 
Some fighters want to fight the best? Be the best in the world? Higher earning potential? Reebok sponsors.......

I suspect its the higher earning potential. Would you do a harder job for less pay? if not, why do you think fighters would? The UFC has been around for a lot longer than the other organizations, so fighters are more confident that it'll be around next year, so that makes for more long term earnings.
 
Ok, don't fight top fighters then, and then you'll have no room to bitch when you don't get moved up the rankings. In fact, just go work at verizon if you're scared of fighting better competition.
 
If Hector had stayed away, he could have remained he MW bogeyman. Make smart decisions.
 
Ok, don't fight top fighters then, and then you'll have no room to bitch when you don't get moved up the rankings. In fact, just go work at verizon if you're scared of fighting better competition.

Ben Askren was out making money looking amazing beating up on Bums.

Then got huge brain damage and retired in his 3 ufc fights.
 
I suspect its the higher earning potential. Would you do a harder job for less pay? if not, why do you think fighters would? The UFC has been around for a lot longer than the other organizations, so fighters are more confident that it'll be around next year, so that makes for more long term earnings.

also the champions make more money Than other orgs, but 95 percent of ufc fighters will never be a champion.
 
Ben Askren was out making money looking amazing beating up on Bums.

Then got huge brain damage and retired in his 3 ufc fights.
He didn't get "huge brain damage" and he made more in his 3 ufc fights than all his other fights. He might have gotten a concussion in the fight he won, but the masvidal ko hit his neck and he had no concussion and he didn't take any real damage against Maia, and he made 7 figures in less than a year.
 
Why even fight at all? Why not become a billionaire?
 
so does the guy losing in the UFC.
It's about being the best? That comes with brain damage, this is not tennis.
Palmer is set while UFC HW champs like Stipe have to work a regular job

stipe doesnt have to be a firefighters he wants to be one. big difference.
 
You just mentioned some stars who are among like 5% of the roster, at best.
Those who cannot market themselves (without an "it" factor) will never ever get PFL money in the UFC.
In PFL though, they can get UFC champ level money by using their MMA skills only
Do you not understand what higher earning potential means? Name a fighter on the PFL roster that earns 5 million per fight. The potential to earn more money is greatest in the UFC. It’s not a guarantee, but the potential is greatest there because that organization has the most exposure.
 
Do you not understand what higher earning potential means? Name a fighter on the PFL roster that earns 5 million per fight. The potential to earn more money is greatest in the UFC. It’s not a guarantee, but the potential is greatest there because that organization has the most exposure.

It's not just "not a guarantee".
It's less than 5% probability and only - ONLY - if you're marketable and have an "it" factor.
If you don't, and not a UFC champ or 10 years UFC vet - you better go to PFL
 
It's not just "not a guarantee".
It's less than 5% probability and only - ONLY - if you're marketable and have an "it" factor.
If you don't, and not a UFC champ or 10 years UFC vet - you better go to PFL
More like if you don't believe in yourself or don't have the skills you better go to PFL. Even if you don't make it to the top of the heap in the UFC you can go to PFL later and try to win the million dollars. That's exactly what Sean O'Connell did. It's like choosing a guaranteed amount instead of PPV points. You might lose a lot of money if you don't take the risk on yourself. Also, there is no guarantee that you will win the PFL tournament and get that million dollar payout. How much does the average fighter make in the PFL?
 
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