Why Don't We See Elbow Blocks?

[chino0503]

so how many fights without corcop get ended by livershots in mma? it may be a bad technique in boxing but this isnt boxing

kj noons vs andre dida (who fought in k1 by the way)

nick diaz vs any of his last 5 opponents.

as the boxing gets better in mma its gonna weave out the less effective techniques that alot of mma fighters get away with.

tell me, do you see that type of blocking top level muay thai? you see fighters lift their elbows, expose their bodies and roll? of course not in the sport of boxing. theres a reason... there's more effective and efficient defensive techniques out.

 

[SunNovaGun]

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it certainly looks like a retarded technique when rampage does it

He's blocking hooks by putting his head in the crook of his elbow. It cushions blows to the side of the head. He's not trying to block straight shots with his elbow.

It's common in Boxing, Muay Thai and countless other arts I'm sure.

 

[SideofKO]

Easier pickings. Who would you rather get in a ring with a guy who doesnt know what he is doing or one who does? sure you get payed less but it's an easier fight.

But this isn't the case at all. Sure a top ranked boxer could easily out box any MMA fighter but Mixed Martial Arts also blends the wrestling and Jiu-Jitsu aspect into it and a boxer with no knowledge of these knows that trying to learn an entirely new skill set isn't worth it when their reputation on the line and possibly their boxing careers say if an arm gets broken.

As I said, the only boxers you'll see enter MMA are ones that are on a downward slope. The million dollar draws aren't going to jump ship when there is that much money to be made. Do you think there would be as many wrestlers in MMA if there were actually any money to be made being a real professional wrestler?

 

[ironbismark]

kj noons vs andre dida (who fought in k1 by the way)

nick diaz vs any of his last 5 opponents.

as the boxing gets better in mma its gonna weave out the less effective techniques that alot of mma fighters get away with.

tell me, do you see that type of blocking top level muay thai? you see fighters lift their elbows, expose their bodies and roll? of course not in the sport of boxing. theres a reason... there's more effective and efficient defensive techniques out.

sooo 6 fights out of thousands you have a good point. yes it is used in top level muay thai when people punch to the head if the can't move out of the way.

 

[SideofKO]

so how many fights without corcop get ended by livershots in mma? it may be a bad technique in boxing but this isnt boxing

Precisely, because so few MMA fighters know how to box properly you won't see a lot of body shots thrown and even the ones that are thrown are usually without any real technique. You can get away with a lot in MMA just like you can get away with a lot in Tough Man competitions, because the boxing is absent. And please don't tell me that Cro Cop can box, because he can't. He can punch. But he cannot box, there is a difference.

 

[CharmingCritic]

Precisely, because so few MMA fighters know how to box properly you won't see a lot of body shots thrown and even the ones that are thrown are usually without any real technique. You can get away with a lot in MMA just like you can get away with a lot in Tough Man competitions, because the boxing is absent. And please don't tell me that Cro Cop can box, because he can't. He can punch. But he cannot box, there is a difference.

ok, so who CAN box?

 

[SunNovaGun]

As far as MMA boxing goes Anderson, BJ, Edgar and Marcus Davis off the top of my head.

Keep in mind though that they'd all be beaten by the average journeyman boxer.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

Keep in mind though that they'd all be beaten by the average journeyman boxer.

This is all mere speculation you cant say for certain that the average boxer would beat them. Also Davis was a boxer before he went into mma granted he didn't reach the elite level but 17

 

[krazylarry]

52 is a scam

 

[ironbismark]

uggg why are you guys pretending that bodyshots are some sort of super weapon they are effective but damn man didn't ali let huge dudes with boxing technique and power wail on his body to tire them out

 

[ElKarlo]

you see that huuuuuuuge gap between the arm pits and hip bone... yeah you dont wanna get hit there. its not nice.

Personally I say its who you fight. A lot of people head hunt, and almost never go for a body shot no matter what.

 

[Wololo]

You would like to see me fight TS, i piss a lot of people off with my defence.

 

[Ayin]

This is all mere speculation you cant say for certain that the average boxer would beat them. Also Davis was a boxer before he went into mma granted he didn't reach the elite level but 17

 

[SideofKO]

ok, so who CAN box?

Boxers...

 

[SideofKO]

uggg why are you guys pretending that bodyshots are some sort of super weapon they are effective but damn man didn't ali let huge dudes with boxing technique and power wail on his body to tire them out

Says someone who has never taken a shot to the body. Ali was a one in a million fighter who had a cast iron body, but even he wasn't dumb enough to give up free shots to the body for any extended period of time. Plus, boxers work extensively on being able to absorb body punches if they get through their defenses. We've also seen fights ended by body shots, most recently I can think of Rigondeaux ending a fight by a body shot.

But this isn't even the point, we aren't saying a single body shot is a super move, but an effective tool that could exploit this elbow in the air business. The elbow in the air isn't necessary when there are just as effective ways to block punches that do not leave your body exposed. Body shots can take the legs away, set up punches to the head, make an opponent hesitant, take away their conditioning, and sometimes even end the fight.

 

[barnowl]

To answer the TS in a clean manner. Elbow blocking is used, see Crazy Monkey Defense, but the destructive type elbow blocking, see Defanging the Snake/Tiger, is not really much use in MMA, Boxing, MT or other gloved fighting sports, because of the gloves and hand wraps.

CMD is really good combat sport blocking system with heavy use of elbow based defenses. If you got questions on it look for RevolutionGym on the forum, he is the answer man for this stuff.

The Defang family of elbow defenses are meant to break or damage an attackers hands, this is a very good stratagey when talking bare knuckle contact. The use of gloves to protect the hands effectively reduces it nothing more than a less than ideal block.

 

[shera]

Having started off training under the Straight Blast Gym, crazy monkey defense was emphasized for standup. As a result without even thinking I block punches with my elbows now. The benefit is that to do so you also end up covering the side of your head with your forearm which also blocks any incoming hooks so there's no need to change hands if your opponent is throwing a combo that ends in a hook.

Plus now that I only do muay thai (stopped BJJ after shoulder surgery) if my sparring partner has small gloves on or bag gloves and they hit my elbow, they get hurt and end up throwing less punches. Works out fine for me.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

Marcus Davis record is in fact not good, to understand that you need to know how records in boxing are made, and take a look at his opponents.

Well the statement was made that the average scrub boxer could easily beat these guys

17 of these boxers lost to davis, one lost to vitor, 4 lost to pulver, 1 lost to silva

i think its safe to say the previous statement is innacurate.

 

[SAAMAG]

I saw a vid of Anderson S sparring with a boxer at Roach's gym, did real well against that guy even though the other guy was going balls out and Anderson was playing.

 

[awkwardturtle]

What the hell, I was taught elbow blocks as one of the first defenses in Muay Thai, right after parries. They were primarily for when you were too rooted to get out of the way and had to absorb it, and it was a hell of a lot better to deflect on the outside of the elbows and forearms than to just eat a hard punch directly on the middle of the forearm. Look in Eric Krauss' book Muay Thai Unleashed if you want to see an example. It's harder to shoulder cover in MT since the stance is so much squarer, you'd be more likely to eat a kick if you tried that than with the elbow blocks.

Granted, a lot of this has to do with the increased distance of MT, and the addition of low line kicks and knees. The idea of destroying the fist with the elbow is imo kind of silly too, it's a cover first and a counter/ damage dealer a distant second. I caught a lot of flak early on for covering up and trying to bruise my way to the clinch instead of using my movement early on.