Why Don't We See Elbow Blocks?

[chino0503]

instead of sticking your elbows in the air.... how bout simple stepping to the side? or back? how about moving your head just alittle? how about catching the punch with your palm? all very very subtle movements without exposing one of the weakest points in every mans body... the liver.

for one thing. you dont see guys in mma getting their livers beat to a pulp cause 1. they suck at punching.. 2. they suck at punching.

im sorry.. i dont live in a wonderland where sidekicks are unstoppable and ong bak movies are real. im a realest. i believe what i see.... theories dont mean shit to me.

 

[SAAMAG]

Well like anything else, there's a time and a place for everything. It's not that it wouldn't do the job (i.e. the elbow hurting the puncher's fist) if it connected that way, it's just that again, it's a low percentage move for both the implied and the explicitly stated reasons.

Chino's got a good point in terms of how it exposes you, that is one of the reasons why it's not often done in the realm of high level fighting. Moves come in too fast, from too many directions and at different elevations.

The risks outweigh the benefits. That answers your question.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

instead of sticking your elbows in the air.... how bout simple stepping to the side? or back? how about moving your head just alittle? how about catching the punch with your palm? all very very subtle movements without exposing one of the weakest points in every mans body... the liver.

I dont disagree with this but like everything thing else it has its limitations as well.

Step to the side and you may be stepping into a kick, step back the person will follow you and continue flurrying and clip you, you may slip or bob or weave the wrong and get struck, you may misjudge the catch attempt .

Of course these things have a much higher success rate than having your elbow in the right place at the right time to damange someones fist but as i said the block will work regardless of whether the fist lands on the elbow or not.

Further, as common sense dictates you would drop the arm back down immediately after the the high punch is blocked to prevent a body shot.

for one thing. you dont see guys in mma getting their livers beat to a pulp cause 1. they suck at punching.. 2. they suck at punching.

Yeah so many people say that lately . You would think all these fantastic strikers lurking around would be coming out of the wood work for the easy pickings on these fighter who apparently suck at punching.

 

[SunNovaGun]

You would think all these fantastic strikers lurking around would be coming out of the wood work for the easy pickings on these fighter who apparently suck at punching.

Nah, they make better money in another sport.

You may have heard of it, it's called Boxing.

 

[thirteen]

Elbow blocks are used in Filipino martial arts - "Defanging the Snake".
But then again what would Filipino's know about martial arts...:icon_neut

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

Nah, they make better money in another sport.

You may have heard of it, it's called Boxing.

ah excuses dont we love em!

 

[chino0503]

I dont disagree with this but like everything thing else it has its limitations as well.

Step to the side and you may be stepping into a kick, step back the person will follow you and continue flurrying and clip you, you may slip or bob or weave the wrong and get struck, you may misjudge the catch attempt .

Of course these things have a much higher success rate than having your elbow in the right place at the right time to damange someones fist but as i said the block will work regardless of whether the fist lands on the elbow or not.

Further, as common sense dictates you would drop the arm back down immediately after the the high punch is blocked to prevent a body shot.




Yeah so many people say that lately . You would think all these fantastic strikers lurking around would be coming out of the wood work for the easy pickings on these fighter who apparently suck at punching.

oh no... dont use the "you do this and i'll do that" line. yeah theres a counter for every counter.. any other breaking news?

my point being, lifting your elbow to defend a punch is retarded. too much movement and leaves you exposed to a shot that will put any man down. its dumb. its like saying i should wrap my arms around my stomach to block a body shot. same difference.

the brilliance of def is doing less to achieve more. catching punches, moving your head, stepping to the side is all SUBTLE MOVEMENTS. lifting your damn elbows and exposing your body isnt a subtle movement and it leaves you open for a ko shot... get me point?

on a side note. we have this tma guy that goes to my gym... we call him bruce lee willis. alway talking about his damn wing chun, sidekicking and saying the same exact thing you just said.. "well if you side step you COULD run into a kick"... no shit sherlock. i tell him, jump in the ring and prove your shit.

the guy has been to my gym for over 2 years, only sparred once. and ran away like a sissy bitch and said he was confused caues it was a southpaw. alot of people on the stand up forum remind me of this jkd book reading, wanna be asian, sidekicking, delusional tma guy at my gym.

 

[SideofKO]

ah excuses dont we love em!

It's not really an excuse, it's a legitimate reason. Why go to another sport where you'll have to learn how to wrestle and do BJJ when you have your own sport to compete in. There are very few boxers that want to cross over precisely because of this. The ones that do are on their way down or see MMA as a threat and don't really know the whole scope of the game, case in point, James Toney. I'd say some are genuinely interested but they make millions doing boxing, why would they want to do another sport making tens of thousands maybe a few hundred thousand at the most?

 

[chino0503]

Elbow blocks are used in Filipino martial arts - "Defanging the Snake".
But then again what would Filipino's know about martial arts...:icon_neut

and in filipino martial arts people get stabbed with knives and smacked with sticks. we're talking about blocking punches with your elbow.

and legs. if u could make 6 or 7 grand a fight or make 500 to show + 500 to win.... which would you chose?

 

[ironbismark]

Elbow blocks are used in Filipino martial arts - "Defanging the Snake".
But then again what would Filipino's know about martial arts...:icon_neut

are you talking about gunting?

anyway someone post that rampage gif to shut chino up its a legit move just not high percent and does leave your body open

 

[SideofKO]

are you talking about gunting?

anyway someone post that rampage gif to shut chino up its a legit move just not high percent and does leave your body open

He isn't saying it wouldn't work, he's just saying the risk/reward ratio is not very good. You can do a better block that won't expose much of your body by burying your chin in your shoulder and turning very slightly while raising your hand and forearm to block. Now I will say this, there aren't very many body punchers in MMA so it isn't something you'd probably have to worry that much about because most of them can't punch properly to the body anyway.

 

[chino0503]

are you talking about gunting?

anyway someone post that rampage gif to shut chino up its a legit move just not high percent and does leave your body open

when did i ever say it didnt work?

people chose to put their hands down and slip punches.. yeah it works... but is it advised?

the so called feather fisted nick diaz has been putting guys down with body shots lately. not even liver shots. i got a question for you guys.... have you ever been hit in the liver?

 

[ironbismark]

so how many fights without corcop get ended by livershots in mma? it may be a bad technique in boxing but this isnt boxing

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

oh no... dont use the "you do this and i'll do that" line. yeah theres a counter for every counter.. any other breaking news?

I usually do not have a habit of stating the obvious but IT IS sherdog after all.

my point being, lifting your elbow to defend a punch is retarded. too much movement and leaves you exposed to a shot that will put any man down. its dumb. its like saying i should wrap my arms around my stomach to block a body shot. same difference.

yet this "retarded" move is used in boxing, mauy thai, etc.etc ,more than anything else. How often do you see people successfully catching punches or using brilliant shifting and turning corners to get away from attacks? Shielding blocks are the most common used block in combat sports for a reason.

the brilliance of def is doing less to achieve more. catching punches, moving your head, stepping to the side is all SUBTLE MOVEMENTS. lifting your damn elbows and exposing your body isnt a subtle movement and it leaves you open for a ko shot... get me point?

yes i do buts it's apparent mine is flying over your head.

on a side note. we have this tma guy that goes to my gym... we call him bruce lee willis. alway talking about his damn wing chun, sidekicking and saying the same exact thing you just said.. "well if you side step you COULD run into a kick"... no shit sherlock. i tell him, jump in the ring and prove your shit.

the guy has been to my gym for over 2 years, only sparred once. and ran away like a sissy bitch and said he was confused caues it was a southpaw. alot of people on the stand up forum remind me of this jkd book reading, wanna be asian, sidekicking, delusional tma guy at my gym.

......Well thats quite the riveting tale. Has nothing to do with the discussion but still top drawer old boy.:icon_lol:

 

[Snubnoze707]

Did everybody miss the Crazy Monkey Defense threads?

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

why would they want to do another sport making tens of thousands maybe a few hundred thousand at the most?

Easier pickings. Who would you rather get in a ring with a guy who doesnt know what he is doing or one who does? sure you get payed less but it's an easier fight.

And im not just speaking of boxers, theres plenty of kickboxers and the like who can demonstrate their superior striking in mma.

 

[WiolentOne]

It can work good against people who only head hunt - which tend to be most people fighting on the streets. I wouldn't use it if sparring hard, elbows will fuck up hands even with heavy gloves.

Its cons have already been mentioned i.e leaving open the body and perhaps not the best position for countering. Yes, there are better methods of defense, but it's still a tool in the box that some may find suitable for their style and needs in certain situations.

 

[ironbismark]

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it certainly looks like a retarded technique when rampage does it

 

[thirteen]

we're talking about blocking punches with your elbow.

I know that. I'm just saying that there are martial arts out there
that use the elbow as a defense against punches - I don't know
how effective it is (or isn't) though.

are you talking about gunting?

yeah that's probably it. I only box but know someone who is into the
Filipino stuff.

 

[CharmingCritic]

lol, some of you guys need to calm down. it was just a question. im not trying to reinvent the wheel here. for future reference, if you find a question dumb or annoying, don't bother answering it. simple enough, isn't it?