Why didn’t we ever see a calf kick in K-1?

[drbolony]

Next you gonna say there is such thing as a "forearm kick" right?
A "rib kick"?
A "belly button" kick?
How about a "lip kick" next?


GTFO

Please tell me the difference between a "calf kick" and a "shin kick".
So fucking stupid FFS


"Hurr durr, I'm going hit him with a titt kick. durr durr."

Shut your dumbass up. If you had an ounce of self awareness you'd realize everyone thinks you and your boyfriend are morons.

"aRe YOu GoINg tO cAll iT A cLiT KiCk tOO?"

 

[jj manchester]

Next you gonna say there is such thing as a "forearm kick" right?
A "rib kick"?
A "belly button" kick?
How about a "lip kick" next?
GTFO

all the things you list with the exception of one, are incidental targets not intentional targets

head kick / neck kick / rib kick are all things though, as are clueless fucking idiots puking their nonsense all over sherdog forums

Vegesus44, post: 150941529, member: 442439"
Please tell me the difference between a "calf kick" and a "shin kick".
So fucking stupid FFS

Are you really asking for someone to explain how the calf and shin are different things?...


OH WOW A TROLL POSTING STUPID THINGS!
AMAZING.
CAN'T BELIEVE WE HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS ON SHERDOG BEFORE

 

[Broadcast]

In K-1 or in kickboxing?

 

[Snubnoze707]

Please tell me the difference between a "calf kick" and a "shin kick".
So fucking stupid FFS

He litterally did in the post you just quoted. You sound like the stupid one...

 

[98bird]

Their legs are far more conditioned than MMA fighters, you throw a calf kick they'll throw a straight right down the pipe and knock you out

You have the same problem with a low leg kick to the their thigh. They can still "throw a straight right down the pipe and knock you out".

There are points of defense for this straight right counter, but the 2 kicks are essentially identical in mechanics.

 

[98bird]

Here's why you probably don't see many calf kicks before....it's b/c in training, we wear good shin guards and it covers that area. So when you kicks someone there during training/sparring, it's heavy duty foam, banging against heavy duty foam = not much is felt in terms of damage dealt.

It's dumb, but I think we didn't think about it being just as damaging as going for the sciatic nerve at the thigh.

 

[Snubnoze707]

the 2 kicks are essentially identical in mechanics.

To an extent for an inside kick but the mechanics throwing to the outside thigh versus throwing to the outside calf are completely different. You can't chop down with that kick you'll run right into a shin bone. You also can't get your head off of the center line like you can when kicking to the thigh. Not being able to do that does leave you more susceptible to a counter right cross.

 

[98bird]

To an extent for an inside kick but the mechanics throwing to the outside thigh versus throwing to the outside calf are completely different. You can't chop down with that kick you'll run right into a shin bone.

How is it completely different? That's a gross exaggeration.

And not all kicks to the thigh needs to be chopped down. It would be nice to chop down all the time, but not necessarily, esp. when going for more speed.

You also can't get your head off of the center line like you can when kicking to the thigh. Not being able to do that does leave you more susceptible to a counter right cross.

Sure you can.

 

[Kanka]

Here's why you probably don't see many calf kicks before....it's b/c in training, we wear good shin guards and it covers that area. So when you kicks someone there during training/sparring, it's heavy duty foam, banging against heavy duty foam = not much is felt in terms of damage dealt.

It's dumb, but I think we didn't think about it being just as damaging as going for the sciatic nerve at the thigh.

Thais spar without shin guards quite often and sometimes only with a shinguard on one leg (whichever their main kicking leg is) or with a cloth shin guards that don't really protect as much as the top king/twins shin guards. I don't think that is a valid explanation

 

[Coconutwater]

Because it's very, very easy to check.

You have to understand that when everyone gripes about MMA boxing being rudimentary, they somehow neglect to mention that the kick fighting is as well. I know the difference doesn't seem huge, raising your leg to check a kick vs just turning your leg slightly out to check a low-low kick - but it's actually huge.

You really don't have to shift your weight much to check that low of a kick, and because of that, you're going to be able to throw your own kick back very, very quickly. There's become this weird false narrative since like the former MMA era, that straight punches are the counter to kicks. That simply isn't true against a skilled kicker, you're going to have to kick back and get their respect. Even if you're the 'inferior' kicker, merely conceding the entire kicking game and only throwing back punches is a fool's errand.

Sure, you will see guys get caught with a punch while kicking, but I'm going to assure it is not the norm as some announcers propagate. Letting a guy kick you and only throwing back high is just an invitation sign for you to get kicked over and over.

Well said.

 

[Kanka]

Ya'll going nuts over some calf kick discussion lol. Let's not turn F42 into the heavies.

 

[98bird]

Thais spar without shin guards quite often and sometimes only with a shinguard on one leg (whichever their main kicking leg is) or with a cloth shin guards that don't really protect as much as the top king/twins shin guards. I don't think that is a valid explanation

They don't spar hard w/o shin guards. That's just touch sparring.

But are you denying that kicking the calf, can cause significant damage?

 

[Kanka]

They don't spar hard w/o shin guards. That's just touch sparring.

But are you denying that kicking the calf, can cause significant damage?

Thais don't do really do hard sparring with shin guards on either. Sure you'll feel the impact from the kicks when they land on your ribs, but not like it hurts or inflicts any damage. By your logic you shouldn't kick to the ribs either since you don't feel damage in sparring.

I didn't say calf kicks can't hurt the calf if it lands, but i think it seems ineffective in high level muay thai/kickboxing. I'd love to be proven wrong with some footage of calf kicks being used effectively in high level muay thai or kickboxing.

 

[Blowing Dixie]

Jesus christ, is this thread still going on? The answer is: People don't do it in thai- and kickboxing because people can check kicks there.

 

[98bird]

Thais don't do really do hard sparring with shin guards on either.

So you're saying that Thais don't spar hard, ever, with shin guards on?

Sure you'll feel the impact from the kicks when they land on your ribs, but not like it hurts or inflicts any damage. By your logic you shouldn't kick to the ribs either since you don't feel damage in sparring.

Incorrect, read what I said again. I said calf kicks with shin guards on, the shin guards make contact with each other even if there's no check. While kicks to the ribs, there's no padding on the ribs.

I didn't say calf kicks can't hurt the calf if it lands, but i think it seems ineffective in high level muay thai/kickboxing. I'd love to be proven wrong with some footage of calf kicks being used effectively in high level muay thai or kickboxing.

I already told you my theory as to why. If I showed you this then I would be arguing against my own argument.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Dude just tried to compare shin bones with rib bones. He does t know anything about fighting and isn't worth effort debating.

 

[null]

Jesus christ, is this thread still going on? The answer is: People don't do it in thai- and kickboxing because people can check kicks there.

I find that to be way too simplistic an answer, implying that checking kicks is some perfect defense that always works 100% of the time or almost all of the time in kickboxing or muay thai and works so seldom in MMA that fighters with good leg kicks are low kicking almost with impunity to great effect.

 

[aerius]

I find that to be way too simplistic an answer, implying that checking kicks is some perfect defense that always works 100% of the time or almost all of the time in kickboxing or muay thai and works so seldom in MMA that fighters with good leg kicks are low kicking almost with impunity to great effect.

Kick defence in MMA is pretty poor. For example, one of the most important things to do when checking a kick is turning the shin into the direction of the kick so that the check goes shin to shin and causes damage to the kicker to discourage him from kicking. If you watch Muay Thai, most of the fighters will do this and it's almost an automatic reaction from them. They check the kick, stay balanced, and can move or go right into a counter.

In MMA there's very few fighters who can do that. Half the fighters are so front leg heavy that they can't even lift a leg to check, and of the ones who do almost all of them simply pick the leg straight up without turning it into the incoming kick. This is why you see so many MMA fighters getting spun off balance when checking a kick and why most fighters seem to prefer eating the kick and hoping they can land a counter.

Kickboxing is somewhere in between, there's still a lot of fighters who can't defend kicks to save their lives but at least I'll actually need both hands to count the fighters who can do it right.

If we take a step back and look at the overall game in the 3 sports it makes sense. Muay Thai scoring places a high priority on round kicks so fighters train them a lot and get good in that area so they can score more points. Which kicks off an arms race, getting scored against with kicks is a quick way to lose a fight so fighters also train a bunch to defend against them, rinse & repeat for many decades and the overall level of kicking & kick defence becomes very good.

We don't have that in MMA, anything other than a head kick doesn't score any better than a jab, and with the takedown threat and all the other things to worry about, training kicks just isn't prioritized in MMA. There's few fighters with good kicks so kick defence isn't a priority either and doesn't get trained much. When there's 40 wrestlers in every division who are trying to take you down and maybe 1 or 2 decent kickers, you'll spend far more time training wrestling defence than kick defence.

 

[Kanka]

So you're saying that Thais don't spar hard, ever, with shin guards on?



Incorrect, read what I said again. I said calf kicks with shin guards on, the shin guards make contact with each other even if there's no check. While kicks to the ribs, there's no padding on the ribs.



I already told you my theory as to why. If I showed you this then I would be arguing against my own argument.

You can kick full force with shin guards on and it won't hurt even a fraction of what a kick without shin guards. Maybe if you're untrained of if you're much smaller than your sparring partner if will hurt.

Calf kicks would hurt even less since it's double shin guard but if it's effective you'd still use it. Slapping knees in sparring don't hurt either and you use it all the time. It's sparring anyway, not actual fighting

 

[Chitaouri]

@Natural Order congrats dude, you are the dumbest person on sherdog.
too funny how dumb you are LoL