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Why couldn't Severn dominate the wrestling against Shamrock?

Severn got caught in subs by Royce and Ken. He was super careful not to get caught again. When he got top position fight 2 with Ken he whooped some ass
 
Without rewatching, I'd say Ken had the much better striking and had solid subs and TDD. That's enough to cause problems.
 
WaylonMercy5150 said:
They grappled in their second fight but it wasn't pure wrestling. In wrestling you can't choke nor strike. Ken was looking for subs and both men were striking. Also Dan was gassed during that exchange.
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They grappled a lot in the first fight. Both men fresh
 
Usernamehere said:
You can't compensate a lifetime of elite wrestling with roids.

Was Shamrock a very talented wrestler?
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Shamrock was a decent grappler who caught a wrestler in a submission. It helps that he was probably juiced to the gills
 
There are stories of Ken being a pretty good wrestler in his prime, plus he trained with a lot of really good Catch wrestlers in Japan who had gnarly subs. Plus he was super athletic back then. Pretty sure Mark Coleman said Ken was a good wrestler.
 
ken had gorilla strength back then, he was wrestling too. Even for a WWF wrestler he was considered jacked as fuck.
 
Usernamehere said:
Guillitones are part of amatuer wrestling as controlling moves. It"s nothing new to him. Severn should have taken him down Long before that
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Catch wrestling implements pure wrestling in it. The The Gracie's even took from its benefits. Bastard love child of Judo and catch.
 
Usernamehere said:
Shamrock is not a wrestler. He dabbled in regional wrestling in school. Severn was a World Cup winner.
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Shamrock was a wrestler. He started as a pure wrestler and then became a professional catchwrestler. And he also tried out for the Olympics at one point (but I've heard it was walk-on try-outs). Saying he wasn't a wrestler is stupid.

What's even more illogical is that Shamrock had no chance against Tito, who is a far worse wrestler than Severn.
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Are you aware that none of these people faced each other in wrestling matches?
 
don't ask said:
Shamrock was a wrestler. He started as a pure wrestler and then became a professional catchwrestler. And he also tried out for the Olympics at one point (but I've heard it was walk-on try-outs). Saying he wasn't a wrestler is stupid.
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He wasn"t an amatuer or Olympic wrestler. Catch wrestlers have nowhere near the takedown skills of an amatuer and Olympic wrestlers.
 
SamuraiBro said:
There are stories of Ken being a pretty good wrestler in his prime, plus he trained with a lot of really good Catch wrestlers in Japan who had gnarly subs. Plus he was super athletic back then. Pretty sure Mark Coleman said Ken was a good wrestler.
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So how did Royce sub him? Royce was pretty much the weakest Gracie
 
Usernamehere said:
He wasn"t an amatuer or Olympic wrestler.
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He wrestled in high school.

Catch wrestlers have nowhere near the takedown skills of an amatuer and Olympic wrestlers.
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Catchwrestlers in Japan usually have extensive amateur backgrounds and, as this thread proves, you don't need Olympic level skills to outwrestle a fantastic pure wrestler outside of their sport.

Usernamehere said:
So how did Royce sub him? Royce was pretty much the weakest Gracie
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Are you just doubting everything about Ken, who rose to the top of MMA with his submissions and wrestling?
 
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