Why are there so many more deaths in Boxing

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  1. BR

    BR Purple Belt

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    I saw another thread about 68 deaths v 2. The differnce is in that span there were many, many, many more boxing matches. Its not really even close. Another point, and the most important one is where the deaths take place. Unlike MMA, boxing is a lot more globalized. The majority of the deaths that occur in boxing occur in Asia were regulation is not strict at all. The last death in the US that I can remember was a few years ago with Lavander Johnson. Point is this arguement is really pointless. Given the large amount of matches that take place per year as compared to MMA.

    I dont see the point of MMA fans bring up that boxing is more brutal. Boxing has been around 100 years, there have been deaths that occured on PPV cards and National TV and for the most part has gotten a pass, for a reason. The reason is that most of the deaths recently have occured outside the U.S and for the most part, over that 100 plus years that boxing has been broadcast over tv's, radios or movie threaters there have only been a handful of deaths. I think with more exposure MMA gets, more people see that it looks a lot more violent than it actually is.
     
  2. kurtwpg

    kurtwpg Silver Belt

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    Because when a boxer is seriously injured, he is given a count of 8 to recover sufficiently to be hit a bunch more. Because a boxing match only ends 2 ways: with a guy being knocked out, or with 2 guys punching each other for 12-36 minutes and going to the scorecards.
     
  3. TheFoo

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    Someone needs to write this out better so anyone making this argument can more easily copy/paste the same response.

    There is more to it than this. Including some of what the TS posted.
     
  4. JCS_FM

    JCS_FM Orange Belt

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    Because there are many more boxing matches than MMA matches. Ever consider the comparative volume?
     
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  5. Neu!

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    because boxers are real men and fight to death, unlike like those mma pussies that tap all the time.
    Just kiddin fellas
     
  6. Zach Earles

    Zach Earles Yellow Belt Professional Fighter

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    The number of blows that boxers take in the gym and in the ring far outweights that of any mixed martial artist. All the damage they take fight after fight and training sessions eventually adds up. Then they fight, suffer alot of damage, get back up, get their ass kicked some more. before they even know what is happening its too late. Its sad really how lapse boxing promoters have become in protecting their fighters. Fighters wont tell you when they are in danger their natural abilitys kick in and they keep fighting. The trainers and refs need to man up an stop it. Im not doctor this is just my opinion ( ive had a few pro boxing matches myself)
     
  7. Guts

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    A lot of head blows, and not the good kind.
     
  8. BabyBlue_Bomber

    BabyBlue_Bomber Purple Belt

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    Well said. MMA is a relatively young sport as oppose to boxing. While it is true that MMA can be safer than boxing due to the fact that refs stop the fight as soon as the fighter is in danger there have also been instances where a fighter in MMA has taken a bigger beating than any fighter I've seen in boxing (Yoshida/Thompson comes to mind). Boxing has its safety precautions as well; ringside doctors closely watch the fight and are ready to act on a fighters well being, after a standing 8 count refs will ask fighters to walk towards them in order to make sure that they are O.K. to continue, and the padded gloves make for added (though not much more) protection.

    Regarding damage, there are many boxers who take little to no damage in fights as oppose to some MMArtists. It seems like many people who post here all have this pre-concieved notion that boxers stand toe-to-toe and engage in a 12 round phone booth fight. Not true. Pernell Whitaker, Pretty Boy Floyd, Cory Spinks etc. are all defensive minded and rarely take damage during their fights compared to fighters like Big Nog, Sakuraba, and others like them.

     
  9. chicken#1

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    it's called constant head trauma. boxers fight for 12 rounds being constantly (depending on fight) punching and being punched. The brain can only take so much abuse after constant head trauma (ie punch to the head) over couple of hours and it builds up in time. MMA has varieties of of ways finishing fights, unlike boxing where it always revolved on punches alone. when body and head takes constant abuse, it usually ends up in a ugly way.,
     
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    LOL! Nice one.
     
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  12. Sinister

    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    lol Constant head traumas don't have that much to do with the Deaths in Boxing, because there are supposed to be thorough preventative measures to keeping people from getting killed.

    When those measures are ignored for purposes of making a fight happen, that's when the danger is high.

    You're talking a multitude of things, over-matching, weight-draining, neglectful Athletic Commissions looking to collect cash. There's no one identifiable cause over anything else. In Asian Countries where the most Deaths occur, the main problem is gross over-matching. In other places, it can be a completely different cause like a neglectful Commission failing to do thorough pre-fight Medicals.
     
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    Its just basically because everywhere in the world there is a boxing match. There is a boxing match going on right now. There a many more Boxing matches taking place than MMA matches and therefore there are going to be more deaths!
     
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    as usual king's on the money, I suspect weight draining is one of the biggest reasons, if you'll notice there aren't many deaths in the heavyweight division. now the heavyweights are the largest, hardest hitters on the planet, yet you don't see many deaths even with gross mismatches. since they don't boil down and as we all know they don't bother to reduce their body fat %'s any more their brains have plenty of protective fluids to slosh around in when hit by a klitschko or foreman straight right, or a frazier left hook etc.

    in the lower divisions though it's far far too common, and those guys at least have to be at a certain weight, and since a lot of them fight a divison (or four) below their 'natural' or walking around weight they drain so much water out of their body, all kinds of physiological functions are probably shortchanged in their extreme demands on their body, then they try to gain back all their fluids in a short time and then go out and engage in strenous activity and head trauma, that's a recipe for disaster.

    mma probably won't have a lot of deaths, as long as it stays properly regulated and referees stopping fights as soon as someone's knocked down.
     
  15. Sinister

    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    When Richie Sandoval was almost killed by Canizales, he couldn't make the weight anymore he fought at and went into that fight with no water on his body.

    Being dehydrated, and facing a Fighter like that, it was a prescription for a massacre, even with a fighter as skilled (particularly defensively) as Richie.
     
  16. Todd Gack

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    I agree with this, and amazingly the first time I ever heard this theory it came from Larry Merchant, albeit very slowly but still.
     
  17. Todd Gack

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    A more recent example I can think of is Chris Byrd.
     
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    10/10

    Lol
     
  19. jf0808

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    Oh, and cause there are more boxing matches, boxers take more punishment, anndandand boxing has been around alot longer, so the deaths in boxing seem more prevalent.
     
  20. Sinister

    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Yeah, he looked like a weak old man, and got slapped around like one.
     

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