Why are people are calling stipe the goat?

[CasualBot]

Indeed, Stipe fought much better competition and had to deal with USADA. You can't compare him to a journeyman that fought in a circus show.

Stipe is league above Fedor at any possible level.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

It's pretty reasonable to say Stipe is the most accomplished UFC heavyweight champion title defender. Beyond that I can't agree with anything else.

Both Jon and the UFC are obviously trying to hype the fight up.

 

[Cowboy Kurt Angle]

UFC heavyweight goat is what they mean

 

[CombatCyborg]

Too bad Stipe didn't make Overeem and Werdum look like such easy work, there might not be as many casuals hating on him.

 

[Sirwastealot]

Maybe they mean just in the UFC. It seems he set the record for title defenses with like his first or second title defense.

Its crazy that in the history of UFC no HW champ was able to string together a handful of defenses.

Makes Fedor's run that much more impressive. Nog is also ahead of Stipe in the all time list.

 

[Gamer2k4]

Considering the fact that Stipe did wrestling since very young and could not even finish a former french refugee (who didn't know anything about combat sports) is a bit embarassing...

Of course, because Ngannou is so easy to finish, right?

 

[Dirty Frank]

They parrot the UFC propaganda. Stipe has been quite an average champ.

Holds the record for most HW title defenses in the org.
Beat a marauding Ford Escort everyone thought was unstoppable.
Won a trilogy against an all-time great in Cormier.
A two-time champ with defenses during each reign.

Not sure about overall MMA HW GOAT, but he's the UFC's all time -

 

[ryun253]

Maybe they mean just in the UFC. It seems he set the record for title defenses with like his first or second title defense.

Its crazy that in the history of UFC no HW champ was able to string together a handful of defenses.

Makes Fedor's run that much more impressive. Nog is also ahead of Stipe in the all time list.

Ain't no Heavyweight GOAT getting destroyed by Fabio Maldonaldo like Fedor did, past prime or not.

 

[WallNStallToeStomper]

Who else is the UFC heavyweight GOAT? Cain? Fabricio?

Brock Lesnar bro come on bro you should know this broooo

 

[TR1]

GOAT of fighting washed up, past their prime relics.

 

[TR1]

Ain't no Heavyweight GOAT getting destroyed by Fabio Maldonaldo like Fedor did, past prime or not.

Right, GOATs get destroyed by Matt Serra and Takase and Chonan in their primes lmao.

Or dropped like a sack of shit by Jake Paul.

 

[WallNStallToeStomper]

Oh well but when Fedor was brutalized by a 40 years old MW while being much younger, it didn't matter, right ?

Oh let me guess : it's beacuse of TRT !

Yet, Fedor didn't have any problem being undefeated in the Pride FC against far younger fighters under far more powerful drugs

Don't try to reason with them. Fedor gives the member berries so they put him on a false pedestal crafted from lies spoke from the lips of a falsehood

 

[Sirwastealot]

Ain't no Heavyweight GOAT getting destroyed by Fabio Maldonaldo like Fedor did, past prime or not.

I mean, you can make up these arbitrary criteria but they don't actually mean anything.

Fedor fell off hard towards the end of his career, that doesn't erase his unparalleled run.

 

[Kb7]

Maybe they mean just in the UFC. It seems he set the record for title defenses with like his first or second title defense.

Its crazy that in the history of UFC no HW champ was able to string together a handful of defenses.

Makes Fedor's run that much more impressive. Nog is also ahead of Stipe in the all time list.

Makes Fedor’s run impressive? Fedor has only 4 good wins, Noguiera, Cro Cop, Arlovski & Sylvia.

Fedor won the HW title against Noguiera, his next 3 fights were Fujita, Goodrich and Coleman.
Fedors title defenses were against Noguiera, CroCop and Hunt

Miocic won the title against Werdum, next 3 fights were Overeem, Dos Santos & Ngannou.

Stipe’s title defenses look similar if not better than Fedors.

If Fedor was constantly fighting top competition he wouldn’t have gone on a streak that long. It’s all about competition and Fedor while good fought people who should have never been in the ring with him.

 

[Sirwastealot]

Makes Fedor’s run impressive? Fedor has only 4 good wins, Noguiera, Cro Cop, Arlovski & Sylvia.

Fedor won the HW title against Noguiera, his next 3 fights were Fujita, Goodrich and Coleman.
Fedors title defenses were against Noguiera, CroCop and Hunt

Miocic won the title against Werdum, next 3 fights were Overeem, Dos Santos & Ngannou.

Stipe’s title defenses look similar if not better than Fedors.

If Fedor was constantly fighting top competition he wouldn’t have gone on a streak that long. It’s all about competition and Fedor while good fought people who should have never been in the ring with him.

This makes no sense brother, 4 good wins? You might as well be arguing that shaq is 5 feet tall. At least get the facts straight.

But when you have to make stuff up to support your side of the argument, its a pretty clear sign you already know you lost the argument.

 

[g*r*b]

he won 3 heavyweight title fights in a row in the ufc...

he ain't the goat

It's more than anyone else did in the UFC's 30-year history. It may not sound like much but history argues that it ain't as easy as it sounds.

 

[wwkirk]

If we're strictly talking about UFC HW, who's got a better claim to GOAT status than Stipe? At the same time, since he's presently past his prime, it's somewhat misleading to to present Jon as fighting the GOAT. GOAT is more or less an historic legacy status, so beating Stipe now, would not have nearly the significance as beating him in his prime.

Of course, anyone who understands how the promotion game works also understands why the UFC likes highlighting Stipe's historic status as UFC HW GOAT.

 

[g*r*b]

Considering the fact that Stipe did wrestling since very young and could not even finish a former french refugee (who didn't know anything about combat sports) is a bit embarassing...

When you find somebody that manages to do that, maybe then you can call it embarrassing. But nobody has done what Stipe did. Nobody has dominated Ngannou for 5 rounds. Even the Lewis win is more due to Stipe's performance than Lewis', since Ngannou openly admitted it was the "fear" he carried over from that loss which froze him into a losing immobility.

 

[Kb7]

I mean, you can make up these arbitrary criteria but they don't actually mean anything.

Fedor fell off hard towards the end of his career, that doesn't erase his unparalleled run.

There’s a big a difference in Fedor losing to the likes of Bader and Mitrione (who were top 10 fighters fought/beat top fighters) at the tale end of his career than losing to Maldonado who has no notable or good win against a top fighter ever, other than Villante.

Given Emelianenko’s experience, being considered GOAT and was on a winstreak with 3 finishes prior, Fedor should have never struggled against Maldonado.

 

[Neck&Neck]

The Gargle Voiced GOAT