Social Why are evangelicals against sex ed?

[TheComebackKid]

what evidence? evangelical christians save themselves for marriage and consider divorce a sin yet still have a higher than average divorce rate. But keep up that cult mentality bruh really workin for families and all them kids getting molested.

Despite their strong pro-family values, evangelical Christians have higher than average divorce rates -- in fact, being more likely to be divorced than Americans who claim no religion, according to findings as cited by researchers from Baylor University.

https://www.baylor.edu/mediacommunications/news.php?action=story&story=137892

This is a study based on people who claim to be evangelicals not a study based on people had 0 or few sexual partners prior to their marital partner and actually has accepted Jesus Christ and His ways into their hearts.

Even then this is a study based on only 60,000 dating all the way back to 1972. Prove your point you did not.

 

[Thurisaz]

Any time someone points out how you are wrong you declare they are lacking logic and give up the argument. Demonstrate the logical failure or admit you were wrong.

I'll humor you that much: the couple getting married give their spouse consent before quite a bunch of witnesses, one of whom is God. It's not possible to rape a consenting partner - therefore "marital rape" is an oxymoron and to not understand that is to have no idea of how logic works.

If your wife, if you have one, does not want to have sex with you at a particular time, you have no right to force yourself upon her and she has not broken any contract with you.

Want has nothing to do with it. If my wife denies me sex she has broken the marriage contract, just as if I would break it by denying her or having sex with someone else.

To think otherwise is inhuman. Society has moved on from that ugliness and we're better for it.

I do not think marriage stats post-christendom reflect that. Quite the opposite.

 

[ShadBo]

has accepted Jesus Christ and His ways into their hearts..

How can you prove someone has accepted JC into their hearts?

 

[Thurisaz]

This is demonstrably false.

What's that supposed to show about intact families being able to teach children about relationships?

 

[Thurisaz]

How can you prove someone has accepted JC into their hearts?

Prove? There's no way. That one is attacked by those of the world for it is a pretty reliable tell, though.

 

[TheComebackKid]

I'm not a Christian, but I like kicking this particular ball around because I think Christian theology actually has this one solved, IMO. The problem with this acts based salvation that the Jews and Muslims have with their earthly rules and laws is that it's very easy to create an example that would conflict with the infinite love of God. Just think of a vegetative person from the moment of birth. God would not create someone just to burn in the lake of fire for eternity, would he? But, with salvation by grace, it's at least possible that the vegetative person could have jesus in their hearts and minds. No conflict.

It makes sense to me to talk only of grace as being a sufficient condition for salvation.

From the post you quoted:

So you are correct when you say we are not saved by works. But the Christian who believes they can follow Christ without producing works has not accepted Christ and his ways. And the Christian who continues to violate God's law, any law no matter how big or small, with no guilt or remorse about it means they have not accepted Christ into their hearts and thus shouldn't expect salvation.

Let's try it this way. Do you agree that one's salvation through Jesus Christ is based on the condition that you love Him with all your mind, heart, and soul?

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

This is a study based on people who claim to be evangelicals not a study based on people had 0 or few sexual partners prior to their marital partner and actually has accepted Jesus Christ and His ways into their hearts.

Even then this is a study based on only 60,000 dating all the way back to 1972. Prove your point you did not.

Lol so how do you prove how religious someone is and how many sexual partners they have had for a survey ? Even religious funded studies find the same divorce statistics among evangelicals

 

[TheComebackKid]

Just think of a vegetative person from the moment of birth. God would not create someone just to burn in the lake of fire for eternity, would he? But, with salvation by grace, it's at least possible that the vegetative person could have jesus in their hearts and minds. No conflict.

It makes sense to me to talk only of grace as being a sufficient condition for salvation.

The thing with the vegetative person is that this person would be totally innocent and blameless. Jesus is there to advocate for us and cover our sins so that the Father can't see them. The question I have for a scenario like this is whether or not a totally blameless and innocent person would need Jesus to advocate for him before the Father? And if so on what basis could Jesus argue to the Father that this person should be denied?

 

[squeezewax]

Because religion has it's foundation in misogyny and females are sex, so evangelicals hate sex-ed.

 

[zebby23]

I'm not "an evangelical", I'm merely a Christian, but I can answer.
1) Sex isn't for recreation, but procreation. It belongs in marriage. Fornication is evil and it damages the soul.
2) Sex ed promotes and tries to normalize perversions to impressionable youths.
3) Sex ed teaches that porn and masturbation are great. Porn is evil, masturbation useless.

Sigh... 2019 and we’re still doing this?

 

[franklinstower]

The evangelicals are the fakest group of people in America history.

I am a Christian and certainly no fan at all of the evangelical movement.

How do you address the claims made though about sex education promoting pornography as a good thing? Is there any truth to that IYO and of so how do you feel about it?

I could and would back sex education based on the research that it leads to less pregnancies and sex by youth but I could only get behind it if certain (totally unnecessary) elements were removed from the programs.

I also would love to see a Christian based sexual education program for married Christians to help them understand how sex and the sexual act works and how to make it pleasurable for both parties.

In my line of work I have ran across far too many unhappy couples who have not been able to find a form of sexuality that works for both of them. The need to address sexual problems in a forthright manner is deep among many Christians in my experience.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Lol so how do you prove how religious someone is and how many sexual partners they have had for a survey ? Even religious funded studies find the same divorce statistics among evangelicals

I don't know how you do that. Perhaps you can't and therefore shouldn't form a conclusion based on such a survey.

And religious studies show a lower divorce rate for people who actually do things like go to church, read scripture, engage with their particular religious community.

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/factchecker-divorce-rate-among-christians/

 

[Thurisaz]

Sigh... 2019 and we’re still doing this?

You aren't and suffer the consequences.

 

[franklinstower]

I have a school mate who ended up as a pastor. He joined forces with the Catholic Church to oppose a bill that allowed poor people in my country to have access to contraceptives and other means of birth control. From his view, he is concerned that sex ed would make a budding teen more promiscuous, since sex is only meant for marriage between husband and wife. Anyway, the bill ended up as law.

For most evangelicals, abstinence before marriage is the only "contraceptive" to be practiced before you are married. But once you do, knock yourself out.

It is my understanding that this unfortunate policy has led to an inability to get access to contraceptives and condoms and led to massive increases in HIV as a results.

As a christian this breaks my heart to see.

 

[Prokofievian]

From the post you quoted:

Let's try it this way. Do you agree that one's salvation through Jesus Christ is based on the condition that you love Him with all your mind, heart, and soul?

Yes. This and only this. Whosoever believeth in me shall not perish. I'll let you expand on your point, though.

The thing with the vegetative person is that this person would be totally innocent and blameless. Jesus is there to advocate for us and cover our sins so that the Father can't see them. The question I have for a scenario like this is whether or not a totally blameless and innocent person would need Jesus to advocate for him before the Father? And if so on what basis could Jesus argue to the Father that this person should be denied?

They would have to acts to bear evidence of their salvation. That's why I'm arguing that acts are completely unnecessary for salvation. They still need salvation. But, because of the infinite love and omnicompetence of God it must be possible for them to be saved, and it's not possible for their acts to bear witness of their salvation, it must be sufficient to be saved in your heart.

 

[ShadBo]

I'll humor you that much: the couple getting married give their spouse consent before quite a bunch of witnesses, one of whom is God. It's not possible to rape a consenting partner - therefore "marital rape" is an oxymoron and to not understand that is to have no idea of how logic works.

Rape: Sexual activity and/or sexual intercourse done forcibly or under threat of injury against a person's will.

Consent to enter marriage is not consent to forcibly have sex against ones will. What is the matter with you?

Want has nothing to do with it. If my wife denies me sex she has broken the marriage contract

If you force your wife to have sex you against her will have committed rape by definition. A contract that requires or permits illegal activity is not enforceable, and should you violate your wife's rights to bodily autonomy will you will be dealt with accordingly.

I do not think marriage stats post-christendom reflect that. Quite the opposite.

Statistics do not support your position. Do you value data? Do you use data to form your beliefs?

 

[ShadBo]

What's that supposed to show about intact families being able to teach children about relationships?

The most religious areas of your country, where sexual education has been stymied, have the highest rates of teen pregnancy.

If your religion was effective, this would not be the case and you wouldn't be trying to make impotent appeals to "intact families."

 

[TheComebackKid]

In my line of work I have ran across far too many unhappy couples who have to not been able to find a form of sexuality that works for both of them. The need to address sexual problems in a forthright manner is deep among many Christians in my experience.

I think this is more of an issue of the Christian dating pool having already been sexually corrupted by the world. Even if a young person abstains from sex they are still bombarded with such sexual content and imagery that I can imagine it warps ones view of what sex is and what it's supposed to be before they ever even have it.

Sexual frustration within marriages is nothing new and something I imagine has gone on since antiquity. However only relatively recently has sexually gratification within a marriage been so important, and the bar for sexual contentment been set so high, that it actually ends so many marriages.

I don't know if the solution is to teach Christians how to be sexual stallions and give their partners better and greater orgasms but rather teach them to keep a proper perspective on what sex is and what it's for. I believe we're supposed to enjoy sex as Christians but I'm not sure if we should be indulging in such lust that our Christian women, even our wives, should be orgasming so hard they begin contorting their faces and growling like demons lol. Maybe that's not a good thing.

 

[zebby23]

You aren't and suffer the consequences.

Lol huh? What consequences?

Am I going to burn in hell for eternity?

 

[franklinstower]

I think this is more of an issue of the Christian dating pool having already been sexually corrupted by the world. Even if a young person abstains from sex they are still bombarded with such sexual content and imagery that I can imagine it warps ones view of what sex is and what it's supposed to be before they ever even have it.

Sexual frustration within marriages is nothing new and something I imagine has gone on since antiquity. However only relatively recently has sexually gratification within a marriage been so important, and the bar for sexual contentment been set so high, that it actually ends so many marriages.

I don't know if the solution is to teach Christians how to be sexual stallions and give their partners better and greater orgasms but rather teach them to keep a proper perspective on what sex is and what it's for. I believe we're supposed to enjoy sex as Christians but I'm not sure if we should be indulging in such lust that our Christian women, even our wives, should be orgasming so hard they begin contorting their faces and growling like demons lol. Maybe that's not a good thing.

I was actually speaking about Christians who have remained totally chaste throughout life up until marriage and who have seen no pornography or even rated R movies in many cases.


There are problems stemming from the examples you mentioned but I was not bringing up those in my post.

I don't think it has to be either accept the sexual limitations of your marriage or chase the most intense orgasm you possibly can. Those extremes are a false dichotomy.

As far as sex not being about pleasure for most of history well that is true for women as many men who are raised chaste have no idea what or how a woman within marriage can reach an orgasm-- something God designed with the creation of the body I might add.

I have been exposed to tragic sexual experiences on the part of married couples who were raised chaste stemming from all kinds of problems-- mostly closed mindedness and puritanical approaches.

I have seen couples where the mans penis is just far too large for sex to be comfortable for the woman. I have seen couples where the mans penis is far too small to be pleasurable for both partners. I have seen couples where one or both partners feel dirty or wrong or bad if they enjoy sex too much. I've seen many other problems too.

None of these marriages were headed for divorce but just a few sessions of Christian sexual counseling, giving the couples vitaly needed information about human anatomy and different ways to achieve sexual union have made a world of difference for them.

I really feel for many couples who are right now going without a mutually satisfactory sexual life where both couples are in love, fully committed to one another in faithfulness and the Holy Spirit is with them.