Social Why are evangelicals against sex ed?

[ultramanhyata]

Yep. We went over this specific point some time prior to entering the marriage covenant. She is well aware that this is a Christian marriage, despite her not being one.

Proof positive your "faith" is a self-righteous sham. Sorry.

 

[Squarechoke]

It's just another example of their extremely weird priorities. They can bother to focus actively on wanting to prevent sexual education, but they'll still gladly live their lives in western luxury instead of working to help the most poor and innocent in the world that suffer so greatly, despite that he latter is a much stronger message in Christianity. And it's not about failing to live up to the ideals either, they aren't even trying so clearly they only give a crap about what Jesus thinks when it suits them, which seems a far greater insult than not believing. It's preferable to be ignored than to have someone spit in your face.

Better to stop being a hypocrite and just say that you live life according to what you want.

 

[TheComebackKid]

The man who has faith and repentance is a man whose heart is changed. He now has a new desire to follow and please God and to hate his sin.


Anyone who is willingly going against God's commands should have doubts about their salvation. However if a man is in Christ, God will draw him back away from that sin. Will we be perfect and Holy as God is Holy? No, we still have this fleshly body and Satan that draws us to sin. Our battle with sin will continue til we die.

Yes, when one accepts the laws and commandments of the Most High his heart is then changed. And out from that changed heart will flow works. It is true that the works themselves is not what saves you but rather grace. However one cannot claim to have accepted the Most Highs ways and claim to have a changed heart if their are no works or no fruits to show that.

So you are correct when you say we are not saved by works. But the Christian who believes they can follow Christ without producing works has not accepted Christ and his ways. And the Christian who continues to violate God's law, any law no matter how big or small, with no guilt or remorse means about it means they have not accepted Christ into their hearts and thus shouln't expect salvation. The problem is here in the west this is not what we teach and thus many Christians, probably the vast majority, have deceived themselves. They then take that deception and go on missions all over the world deceiving others into believing they can continue to wallow in sin and still be saved.

I agree we need to give up our ways of sinning. But that is the result of salvation. It is the result of Christ in our lives that we do good works or avoid our old ways of sinning. Our works or avoiding sin on our own power cannot forgive us our sins. Christ's death on the cross did that.

I think you got it backwards. You give up your life first...then you receive salvation. You can't have both salvation and your own life. You have to first give up one to get the other.

 

[ShadBo]

@Ripskater and @TheComebackKid I can't stand to see lovers fight like this.

Get a room.

 

[Prokofievian]

Yes, when one accepts the laws and commandments of the Most High his heart is then changed. And out from that changed heart will flow works. It is true that the works themselves is not what saves you but rather grace. However one cannot claim to have accepted the Most Highs ways and claim to have a changed heart if their are no works or no fruits to show that.

So you are correct when you say we are not saved by works. But the Christian who believes they can follow Christ without producing works has not accepted Christ and his ways. And the Christian who continues to violate God's law, any law no matter how big or small, with no guilt or remorse means about it means they have not accepted Christ into their hearts and thus shouln't expect salvation. The problem is here in the west this is not what we teach and thus many Christians, probably the vast majority, have deceived themselves. They then take that deception and go on missions all over the world deceiving others into believing they can continue to wallow in sin and still be saved.

What about people who literally can't do works?

 

[TheComebackKid]

What about people who literally can't do works?

like who?

 

[Prokofievian]

like who?

People in vegetative states, for example.

 

[luckyshot]

Because if I can't see it, it is not happening.

 

[TheComebackKid]

People in vegetative states, for example.

Well I'm not sure. Perhaps at that point it is too late for salvation...that is a thing. Perhaps that person had sufficient opportunities to accept Christ and his time ran out. Or perhaps theres something going on in the spritual realm that still allows him to accept salvation in the midst of death. If you look into the Near Death Experience community you will find many people who claim to have accepted Jesus Christ and being saved even after they crossed over. But who knows.

 

[Long Dark Blues]

In order to make more evangelicals, I assume.

 

[Thurisaz]

It's just ridiculous to think your spouse should submit to your every urge.

What do you think, is it loving to demand that one's spouse submits to one's every urge? There's a reason I don't have to enforce my rights.

Would it be accurate to say you believe being denied sex is grounds for divorce more than marriage vows put the burden on your spouse to satisfy your every urge?

Of course breaking the contract means that it is over. You don't with someone who agrees to sell you a car and keeps it, do you?

Worded that way it doesn't leave as much ambiguity on whether you sanction marital rape.

You didn't leave much ambiguity as to whether you're as malicious as you're lacking in logic. We're done here.

 

[ShadBo]

You didn't leave much ambiguity as to whether you're as malicious as you're lacking in logic. We're done here.

Any time someone points out how you are wrong you declare they are lacking logic and give up the argument. Demonstrate the logical failure or admit you were wrong.

If your wife, if you have one, does not want to have sex with you at a particular time, you have no right to force yourself upon her and she has not broken any contract with you.

To think otherwise is inhuman. Society has moved on from that ugliness and we're better for it.

 

[Thurisaz]

So how do you reconcile that stuff with the proven facts that sex ed is more effective at preventing teen pregnancy, stds, abortions etc than teaching abstinence only ?

Just say "fuck it" and ignore the benefits?

The benefits are not worth the price of getting children exposed to perversion and its normalization propaganda. Their parents are quite a bit more capable of guiding them in relationship matters than anyone else, not to mention bluehaired lesbians.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Because the evidence to support this thought is more abundant than ever in 2019?

what evidence? evangelical christians save themselves for marriage and consider divorce a sin yet still have a higher than average divorce rate. But keep up that cult mentality bruh really workin for families and all them kids getting molested.

Despite their strong pro-family values, evangelical Christians have higher than average divorce rates -- in fact, being more likely to be divorced than Americans who claim no religion, according to findings as cited by researchers from Baylor University.

https://www.baylor.edu/mediacommunications/news.php?action=story&story=137892

 

[Prokofievian]

Well I'm not sure. Perhaps at that point it is too late for salvation...that is a thing. Perhaps that person had sufficient opportunities to accept Christ and his time ran out. Or perhaps theres something going on in the spritual realm that still allows him to accept salvation in the midst of death. If you look into the Near Death Experience community you will find many people who claim to have accepted Jesus Christ and being saved even after they crossed over. But who knows.

I'm not a Christian, but I like kicking this particular ball around because I think Christian theology actually has this one solved, IMO. The problem with this acts based salvation that the Jews and Muslims have with their earthly rules and laws is that it's very easy to create an example that would conflict with the infinite love of God. Just think of a vegetative person from the moment of birth. God would not create someone just to burn in the lake of fire for eternity, would he? But, with salvation by grace, it's at least possible that the vegetative person could have jesus in their hearts and minds. No conflict.

It makes sense to me to talk only of grace as being a sufficient condition for salvation.

 

[ShadBo]

Their parents are quite a bit more capable of guiding them in relationship matters than anyone else.

This is demonstrably false.

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

It's this archaic thinking that if you don't acknowledge something, it'll just go away.

If you don't talk to kids about sex, they'll simply never have the urge to have sex and wait until marriage to find out about it.

It's just moronic.

 

[nac386]

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. - Matthew 22:37

How does the Bible define love for God? I'm glad you asked!

In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome - John 5:3

And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love - John 1:6

If you love me, keep my commands. - John 14:15

Considering your other beliefs regarding the indigenous population of North America, and your lack of trust for white people (and more specifically, history as told by white people), it's interesting to me that you are a Christian.

How do you work Christianity into those beliefs? Christianity was brought to the native population by European settlers. I would have thought you'd be opposed to adopting those beliefs.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

It's this archaic thinking that if you don't acknowledge something, it'll just go away.

If you don't talk to kids about sex, they'll simply never have the urge to have sex and wait until marriage to find out about it.

It's just moronic.

no no they talk to them about it, they tell them it's a sin and the devil and hell and all that, really seems to be working well, amazing how the evangelical christians have higher divorce rate and the bible belt has the highest teen pregnancies, but lets pray.

 

[Thurisaz]

Proof positive your "faith" is a self-righteous sham. Sorry.

It's as much a "proof positive"of that as it is of the moon being made of brie. I'm not sorry to ignore you.