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GSP beat the champ, jones wouldn’t , jones didn’t, and jones is currently ducking the interm champGSP beat a washed up half blind journeyman in Bisping, Jones did not.
GSP beat the champ, jones wouldn’t , jones didn’t, and jones is currently ducking the interm champGSP beat a washed up half blind journeyman in Bisping, Jones did not.
Both former champions moved up in weight. That's where the similarity ends.
Not only should the fight not have taken place with Whittaker as the interim champion, but denying him his rightful shot and breaking the title lineage was as unfair as it could be. You can revise history as much as you want, but barring the severity of GSP's illness, there's not much difference in what Jones is doing with Aspinall today as far as I'm concerned. And perhaps it's just me being naive, but I think Jones would have already defended against Stipe if not for pectoral injury.By all accounts, GSP didn't do anyone dirty.
God dammit, solid post for once.Fighter bashing is so cool and edgy!
Real fans love to disrespect legends!
Correct. Technically, Jones beat the best guy in the division, and that's the most we can ask from any fighter.Jones won a vacant belt against the literal #1 contender at the time.
Let's see, GSP beat the champion.GSP's middleweight title or Jones' heavyweight title?
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- both won it against sub-optimal competition (old Bisping in the case of GSP and green Gane in the case of Jones)
- both won it after being inactive (GSP was retired for 4 years, Jones had a 3 year long layoff)
- both appeared to duck top competition in their respective divisions (GSP didn't hold title for too long but also he didn't defend it against Whittaker, while Jones is waiting for his defense against old Stipe)
Jones belt is more fraudulent, he beat the guy the last champ already beat for a vacant belt. Bisping was the legit MW champ and had a title defense. How is this even in question.GSP's middleweight title or Jones' heavyweight title?
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- both won it against sub-optimal competition (old Bisping in the case of GSP and green Gane in the case of Jones)
- both won it after being inactive (GSP was retired for 4 years, Jones had a 3 year long layoff)
- both appeared to duck top competition in their respective divisions (GSP didn't hold title for too long but also he didn't defend it against Whittaker, while Jones is waiting for his defense against old Stipe)
GSP beat the legit MW champ and had a title defense. Jones beat the guy the last champ already beat for a vacant title. GSP's MW title is far more legitimate than Jones'.The HW champion left town and Jon fought the highest-ranked available guy.
GSP was specifically called out by the worst MW champion in modern history, promised to defend the belt, but then retired due to tummy-aches.
When #1 guy left town, he was the #2 at the time, cherry picked moment for the HW title? Sure, but Gane was the highest ranked opponent, Aspinall wasnt #3.This thread is needlessly disrespectful to both GSP and to Bisping.
What UFC titles or accomplishments did Gane have before Jones cherrypicked him?
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+1Jones won a vacant belt GSP did not
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And Jones beat a can with no grappling that ducked every top guy in the division. Bisping the better of the 2GSP beat a washed up half blind journeyman in Bisping, Jones did not.
GSP still live free is some people's head 7yrs later.
Anybody that goes up a division to wins a second title deserve props.
Just sucks that Dana was still triggered by GSP that he refused to make
GSP Vs Khabib later because he knew that GSP would just collect another belt and leave again.
Bisping didn't unify, his championship claim was as equal as Whittaker's at the time.Jones belt is more fraudulent, he beat the guy the last champ already beat for a vacant belt. Bisping was the legit MW champ and had a title defense. How is this even in question.
Technically, Jones beat the best guy in the division, and that's the most we can ask from any fighter.
Was Gane the best heavyweight on earth? Absolutely not. But neither was Bisping the best middleweight.
The first time Bisping fought an actual top contender since getting the belt, he got smoked within half a round.And Jones beat a can with no grappling that ducked every top guy in the division. Bisping the better of the 2
Not only should the fight not have taken place with Whittaker as the interim champion, but denying him his rightful shot and breaking the title lineage was as unfair as it could be. You can revise history as much as you want, but barring the severity of GSP's illness, there's not much difference in what Jones is doing with Aspinall today as far as I'm concerned. And perhaps it's just me being naive, but I think Jones would have already defended against Stipe if not for pectoral injury.
So basically, Adesanya's whole reign that came afterwards is worthless considering middleweight lineage was broken?Not the one who was lineal champ
Assuming you can read and comprehend context, I did mention that in the OP. However, GSP's title is nothing but a paper championship given that he had no aspirations for actually solidifying himself as "the best" middleweight by defending it.They are miles apart. GSP gave up his title a month after winning it, Jones has held the title hostage for a year and a half.
GSP's middleweight title or Jones' heavyweight title?
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- both won it against sub-optimal competition (old Bisping in the case of GSP and green Gane in the case of Jones)
- both won it after being inactive (GSP was retired for 4 years, Jones had a 3 year long layoff)
- both appeared to duck top competition in their respective divisions (GSP didn't hold title for too long but also he didn't defend it against Whittaker, while Jones is waiting for his defense against old Stipe)
I don't disagree at all, the Hendo fight was a joke. He chose to defend against a guy who was a legend generations ago, but hadn't been a contender in years, instead of taking on legitimate competition, and claimed it was justified because he was getting on in years. Funny how we have a near identical situation now at heavyweight. Has that delegitimised Jones?The first time Bisping fought an actual top contender since getting the belt, he got smoked within half a round.
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Ducking everyone to fight #13 ranked Henderson, straight up robbing him in Manchester, and then not unfying against Whittaker completely delegitimized Bisping's championship and made a mockery of the sport, fairness and competition.