Whose title is more fraudulent?

Both former champions moved up in weight. That's where the similarity ends.
By all accounts, GSP didn't do anyone dirty.
Not only should the fight not have taken place with Whittaker as the interim champion, but denying him his rightful shot and breaking the title lineage was as unfair as it could be. You can revise history as much as you want, but barring the severity of GSP's illness, there's not much difference in what Jones is doing with Aspinall today as far as I'm concerned. And perhaps it's just me being naive, but I think Jones would have already defended against Stipe if not for pectoral injury.
 
Jones won a vacant belt against the literal #1 contender at the time.
Correct. Technically, Jones beat the best guy in the division, and that's the most we can ask from any fighter.

Was Gane the best heavyweight on earth? Absolutely not. But neither was Bisping the best middleweight. Oh look, another resemblance.
 
Its actually a good comparison. Both GSP and Jon ducked the reigning champ in the higher weight class, and only when they were removed from the picture, did both only then decide to move up. Those being Silva and Ngannou. And GSP most likely lost the Hendrix fight, and still got a title shot at MW for just as much of an underserving shot as did Jon. They both paper champs at best. But at least Jon has time to prove he isn't a paper champ, although Jon is doing everything in his power to keep that paper champ belt alive by ducking Tom and fighting retired fighters and women (like Dana).
 
GSP's middleweight title or Jones' heavyweight title?

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  • both won it against sub-optimal competition (old Bisping in the case of GSP and green Gane in the case of Jones) ✅
  • both won it after being inactive (GSP was retired for 4 years, Jones had a 3 year long layoff) ✅
  • both appeared to duck top competition in their respective divisions (GSP didn't hold title for too long but also he didn't defend it against Whittaker, while Jones is waiting for his defense against old Stipe) ✅
Let's see, GSP beat the champion.

Jones beat a guy who was never a champion.
 
GSP's middleweight title or Jones' heavyweight title?

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  • both won it against sub-optimal competition (old Bisping in the case of GSP and green Gane in the case of Jones) ✅
  • both won it after being inactive (GSP was retired for 4 years, Jones had a 3 year long layoff) ✅
  • both appeared to duck top competition in their respective divisions (GSP didn't hold title for too long but also he didn't defend it against Whittaker, while Jones is waiting for his defense against old Stipe) ✅
Jones belt is more fraudulent, he beat the guy the last champ already beat for a vacant belt. Bisping was the legit MW champ and had a title defense. How is this even in question.
 
The HW champion left town and Jon fought the highest-ranked available guy.

GSP was specifically called out by the worst MW champion in modern history, promised to defend the belt, but then retired due to tummy-aches.
GSP beat the legit MW champ and had a title defense. Jones beat the guy the last champ already beat for a vacant title. GSP's MW title is far more legitimate than Jones'.
 
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This thread is needlessly disrespectful to both GSP and to Bisping.
What UFC titles or accomplishments did Gane have before Jones cherrypicked him?
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When #1 guy left town, he was the #2 at the time, cherry picked moment for the HW title? Sure, but Gane was the highest ranked opponent, Aspinall wasnt #3.
 
Jones won a vacant belt GSP did not

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Thats a wrap. GSP beat the champ and won a lineal title fair and square.


Jon still doesn't have the lineal title.

Per the boxing rules of lineal titles, of a lineal title is vacated, or a lineal champ retires (or switches weight classes) there are a couple ways to restart a new lineage:

1: beat the last lineal champ (Francis)
2: a #1 vs #2 vacant title fight (Jon wasn't ranked at HW when he fought Gane)
3: a following non lineal HW champ (Jon) fights the #1 contender (Aspinall)

So basically Jon needs to beat Aspinall to be lineal champ. And he ain't gonna do that
 
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GSP still live free is some people's head 7yrs later.
Anybody that goes up a division to wins a second title deserve props.

Just sucks that Dana was still triggered by GSP that he refused to make
GSP Vs Khabib later because he knew that GSP would just collect another belt and leave again.

They were trying to get GSP to move up for years to face Anderson… a fight the fans were begging for
 
Jones belt is more fraudulent, he beat the guy the last champ already beat for a vacant belt. Bisping was the legit MW champ and had a title defense. How is this even in question.
Bisping didn't unify, his championship claim was as equal as Whittaker's at the time.

When somebody is holding another belt in your division, your title legitimacy gets seriously put into quesiton.

Technically, Jones beat the best guy in the division, and that's the most we can ask from any fighter.

Was Gane the best heavyweight on earth? Absolutely not. But neither was Bisping the best middleweight.
 
And Jones beat a can with no grappling that ducked every top guy in the division. Bisping the better of the 2
The first time Bisping fought an actual top contender since getting the belt, he got smoked within half a round.

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Ducking everyone to fight #13 ranked Henderson, straight up robbing him in Manchester, and then not unfying against Whittaker completely delegitimized Bisping's championship and made a mockery of the sport, fairness and competition.
 
Not only should the fight not have taken place with Whittaker as the interim champion, but denying him his rightful shot and breaking the title lineage was as unfair as it could be. You can revise history as much as you want, but barring the severity of GSP's illness, there's not much difference in what Jones is doing with Aspinall today as far as I'm concerned. And perhaps it's just me being naive, but I think Jones would have already defended against Stipe if not for pectoral injury.

They are miles apart. GSP gave up his title a month after winning it, Jones has held the title hostage for a year and a half.
 
Not the one who was lineal champ
So basically, Adesanya's whole reign that came afterwards is worthless considering middleweight lineage was broken?

Everything what happened after apparently happened under some new conditions, or?
They are miles apart. GSP gave up his title a month after winning it, Jones has held the title hostage for a year and a half.
Assuming you can read and comprehend context, I did mention that in the OP. However, GSP's title is nothing but a paper championship given that he had no aspirations for actually solidifying himself as "the best" middleweight by defending it.
 
GSP's middleweight title or Jones' heavyweight title?

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  • both won it against sub-optimal competition (old Bisping in the case of GSP and green Gane in the case of Jones) ✅
  • both won it after being inactive (GSP was retired for 4 years, Jones had a 3 year long layoff) ✅
  • both appeared to duck top competition in their respective divisions (GSP didn't hold title for too long but also he didn't defend it against Whittaker, while Jones is waiting for his defense against old Stipe) ✅
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The first time Bisping fought an actual top contender since getting the belt, he got smoked within half a round.

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Ducking everyone to fight #13 ranked Henderson, straight up robbing him in Manchester, and then not unfying against Whittaker completely delegitimized Bisping's championship and made a mockery of the sport, fairness and competition.
I don't disagree at all, the Hendo fight was a joke. He chose to defend against a guy who was a legend generations ago, but hadn't been a contender in years, instead of taking on legitimate competition, and claimed it was justified because he was getting on in years. Funny how we have a near identical situation now at heavyweight. Has that delegitimised Jones?
 
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