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Neither loss takes anything away from either fighter.
So the point is moot.
So the point is moot.
Jones loss was almost Mazzagati's fault, Jones was beating him senseless with Hammil just holding his hands over his face, that fight should have been stopped and he was done either way
Fedor's loss would have been a loss in the UFC or most org's
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Fedor's first loss was more legit, Arona clearly beat him under any ruleset :wink:
I'm not sure if most organisations allowed elbows to the head back then. In Japan pretty much none did and it was the Mecca of MMA.
Jones because as you said he used an illegal technique. Fedor's loss is like Anthony Johnsons loss by eye poke.
I don't get what's not legit about the Jones loss. He clearly broke the rules and the rules in this instance were clear about the consequences. Yes, the rules are stupid and yes he would have won, but that doesn't make the loss less legit.
It's like a basketball player or a tennis player stepping over the line. The free throw or the ace won't get awarded. It doesn't matter if the free throw or ace would still have been made if you hadn't broken the rules.
It doesn't take anything away from his talent, though.
It's NOT as clear as a tennis player stepping over the line. The 12-6 elbows rule is pretty cloudy tbh. It's more comparable to a faulty throw-in in football or something like that.
No, no. The rule is perfectly clear, no 12-6 elbows allowed.
I don't get what's not legit about the Jones loss. He clearly broke the rules and the rules in this instance were clear about the consequences. Yes, the rules are stupid and yes he would have won, but that doesn't make the loss less legit.
Does it really matter?
All I know is that Hammil didn't "beat" Jones in ANY sense of the word. Jones flat out MAULED him, and would have stopped him with or without the elbows. Basically anyone who's ever seen that fight knows it. It was a straight up one sided beatdown.
The Fedor loss ended in like 30 seconds didn't it? Basically before anyone could even get a feel for how the fight would go at all.
Neither loss is really meaningful.