Who's your NBA MVP? ***UPDATE: Poll Added***

OT I think Justice Winslow is a Kawhi clone
 
Harden is getting the MVP, it's insane to think otherwise. Seriously look at that roster, and the various injuries. And they're the 2 seed right now. He's essentially leading the league in scoring, upped his assists dramatically, actually semi plays D (check his SPG), is leading the league in assisted 3s, and his TS is absurd due to his FTs.

Curry's whole team is awesome. Bogut is probably the best post Defender in the league (when healthy obviously), Green is an all around player and very versatile defender, Klay is Klay. The worst starter is Barnes, and he's not exactly a scrub or roster filler. FFS they have David Lee, Livingston and Iguo coming off the bench

Amazing season or not, it's kinda hard to give the MVP to the best guy on a semi dream team.

edit: also, since Harden is becoming the posterboy, and loved by the refs and such, isn't that more of a reason he'll likely get the nod???
 
that sample size is too small and too old as to be completely irrelevant. 3 of the games are two years ago, only 1 is from this season. can't draw any real conclusions from that, now if curry missed half the season like durant and klay was left to fend for himself, that would be much more telling

you're arguing that curry's supporting cast isn't as good as everybody is making it out to be. maybe, but it's still much better than houston's. the rockets had to get brewer and smith midseason just to stay afloat from injuries, gs has enough depth and the emergence of green has been huge for them
 
I'll Av bet you for the entire playoffs, Hunter, that Curry wins the MVP over Harden.
 
HunterSdVa29 said:
it's on Santi
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RR said:
What SG's would ou put above Thompson outside of Harden?

I don't think you'll hear an argument that Curry is a great player but Harden has meant more to his team this season. GS is battling for the 8th spot if you take Curry off the team and Houston is battling for the number 1 pick if you take him off the Rockets
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Who I take at SG depends on who else I have on the team. If I have a Steph Curry at PG, I don't take anyone over Thompson. If I have a can at PG, there's a handful of SGs I take over Thompson this season: Harden, Wad, Butthead, Montel, DeRozcan, and perhaps even Oladipo and Tyreke depending on how terrible my PG is (keep in mind this is just for this season, if we're talking about building a team for the future I take Thompson over everyone).

I don't think Harden means more to his team. Curry impacts the game on offense more than any player in the league. His gravitational pull on the defense is probably the greatest in NBA history considering how far he stretches the D. I highly disagree that GSW would be competing for the 8th seed without Curry; I believe they'd have perhaps the worst offense in the NBA without Curry.

GSW net Offensive Rating with Curry on the floor vs off: +16.2

HOU net Offensive Rating with Harden on the floor vs off: +11.1

Then there's what I consider to be a huge difference between the strength of the Warriors and Rockets. Houston is a good team but I don't think anyone really considers them a title contender (Vegas has their odds at 20/1), meanwhile the Warriors are shaping up to be one of the strongest teams in NBA history. Even with a healthy Dwert, the gap between the Warriors and Rockets is far greater than the 10.5 games that separate them in the standings imo
 
dont even get me wrong, I can totally see why people are feeling Curry. He's having potentially the greatest shooting season ever along w/ Korver (although curry's a volume shooter, huge difference).

I just see the sportwriters/broadcasters picking Harden. Everyone hates him for his foul drawing and shit, but he is literally carrying that team like nobody i've ever seen. this is like Dirk when the Mavs won the title, but he has a much worse team (i.e. no prime Tyson Chandler)
 
oh, and the rockets are absolutely f'd when it comes to the P/O's. w/ beverly out, they have prigioni and Terry as PG's, both whom play like zero D..... in the western conf. it's a wrap
 
As much as I can't stand him I'd vote Harden. Does more for his team than any other player IMO and that's what the MVP is supposed to be.
 
Yeah, the Beverly loss is huge. Dude's an absolute fireplug.

Might be the only thing keeping the Rockets from the championship.
 
HunterSdVa29 said:
dont even get me wrong, I can totally see why people are feeling Curry. He's having potentially the greatest shooting season ever along w/ Korver (although curry's a volume shooter, huge difference).

I just see the sportwriters/broadcasters picking Harden. Everyone hates him for his foul drawing and shit, but he is literally carrying that team like nobody i've ever seen. this is like Dirk when the Mavs won the title, but he has a much worse team (i.e. no prime Tyson Chandler)
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I think the fact that no one really expects Houston to contend for the ship is gonna hurt Harden. How can you be the most valuable player in the league when you're only 20/1 odds to lead your team to the ship? I'm trying to think of the last MVP that played for a non-title contender

14 Durant - OKC legit contender
13 LeBrick - MIA legit contender
12 LeBrick - MIA legit contender
11 Derelict - CHI legit contender (also a friendly/rigged MVP award that season)
10 LeBrick - CLE legit contender
09 LeBrick - CLE legit contender
08 Koobey - LAL legit contender
07 Nowitzki - DAL legit contender
06 Nash - PHO legit contender
05 Nash - PHO legit contender
04 Garnett - MIN was the West's 1st seed but I don't think anyone really saw them winning the ship

So there we go it's been 10 years since a leader of a non-title contending team has won MVP
 
faustian said:
Who I take at SG depends on who else I have on the team. If I have a Steph Curry at PG, I don't take anyone over Thompson. If I have a can at PG, there's a handful of SGs I take over Thompson this season: Harden, Wad, Butthead, Montel, DeRozcan, and perhaps even Oladipo and Tyreke depending on how terrible my PG is (keep in mind this is just for this season, if we're talking about building a team for the future I take Thompson over everyone).

I don't think Harden means more to his team. Curry impacts the game on offense more than any player in the league. His gravitational pull on the defense is probably the greatest in NBA history considering how far he stretches the D. I highly disagree that GSW would be competing for the 8th seed without Curry; I believe they'd have perhaps the worst offense in the NBA without Curry.

GSW net Offensive Rating with Curry on the floor vs off: +16.2

HOU net Offensive Rating with Harden on the floor vs off: +11.1

Then there's what I consider to be a huge difference between the strength of the Warriors and Rockets. Houston is a good team but I don't think anyone really considers them a title contender (Vegas has their odds at 20/1), meanwhile the Warriors are shaping up to be one of the strongest teams in NBA history. Even with a healthy Dwert, the gap between the Warriors and Rockets is far greater than the 10.5 games that separate them in the standings imo
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C'mon son. None of those guys outside of a healthy Wade even belong in the discussion regardless of shitty pg play. Derozan? Tyreke Evans? Fucking lol. Those two are black holes. If you pass the ball to them you need a search warrant to get it back.

Look at all the talent on the team. Even without Curry their roster looks as good as OKC without KD and Ibaka and NO.

If Dwight is healthy Houston can definitely come out of the West. It wouldn't surprise me if the Spurs, Clips, or Griz did either. I'm not sold on GS at all to be honest.

This is coming from someone who is a big fan of Curry's game. I thought he was going to be a glorified dale Ellis and he proved me wrong
 
RR said:
C'mon son. None of those guys outside of a healthy Wade even belong in the discussion regardless of shitty pg play. Derozan? Tyreke Evans? Fucking lol. Those two are black holes. If you pass the ball to them you need a search warrant to get it back.

Look at all the talent on the team. Even without Curry their roster looks as good as OKC without KD and Ibaka and NO.

If Dwight is healthy Houston can definitely come out of the West. It wouldn't surprise me if the Spurs, Clips, or Griz did either. I'm not sold on GS at all to be honest.

This is coming from someone who is a big fan of Curry's game. I thought he was going to be a glorified dale Ellis and he proved me wrong
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Science supports Curry.

Curry makes everyone around him that much more of a threat. Defenses pay so much attention to him that it creates open looks from deep and at the rim when scrambling defenses are forced to shift and rotate after Curry bends them with his gravitational pull. Every Warriors rotation player shoots markedly better with Curry on the floor.
Golden State's offense falls from a 113.8 offensive rating (the best mark in the league) to 100.8 without him (the equivalent of the Denver Nuggets' 23rd-ranked figure). That's a substantial decline.
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Curry's Warriors actually do worse with him off the floor (-16.3 points per 100 possessions) than when Harden sits on the Rockets (-10.3 points per 100 possessions). The offensive drop-off is roughly the same for both players (-13 points per 100 possessions for Curry, and -14 points per 100 possessions for Harden), but the difference comes on the defensive end —
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