Who's your NBA MVP? ***UPDATE: Poll Added***

The only thing coach-like about Leroid is his hairline.

A team with Irving and Love should be nearing 70 wins.

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not a fan of the guy, but harden is the mvp no question. lol @ curry, give me his supporting cast and i'll give you 50 W's
 
Hardcan is the MVP and I don't even think it's close. He's got the Rockets as the 2 seed in the West when their second best player after the All-Star break has been Josh Smith

It's definitely a compelling argument for Hardcan; reminds me of Derelict in 2011 when no one expected the Cows to get the 1st seed

But like the 2011 Cows, I think the overlooked reasons for Houston's success this season are their system and defense. Rockets are 6th in defensive efficiency, 12th in offensive efficiency. I don't think anyone will credit Hardcan for being the anchor of Houston's defense. On offense, they run an extremely efficient system based on, yes, analytics. The Rockets pretty much only take shots in the paint or behind the 3pt line, and this has led to their offensive output being greater than the sum of its parts. Hardcan does a great job facilitating this offense, but I still think he's part of the system rather than the system itself (like a LeBron or Curry)
 
It's going to be funny when the mvp gets bounced in the first round. Lol
 
Love is finally going to make the playoffs and leave to join a team that won't. Pretty fucking embarrassing but that just goes to show the type of player he is. Cares more about his stats than winning.

Yep. Max money and a chance to win a ring outweighed by not being able to take a backseat. Pretty sad. That's why I have a lot of respect for Bosh. He did what he needed to do to win. He's a better player then Love too.
 
Yep. Max money and a chance to win a ring outweighed by not being able to take a backseat. Pretty sad. That's why I have a lot of respect for Bosh. He did what he needed to do to win. He's a better player then Love too.

Yes. Totally agree. Nothing wrong with putting up bosh, worthy numbers if it means winning.
 
It's definitely a compelling argument for Hardcan; reminds me of Derelict in 2011 when no one expected the Cows to get the 1st seed

But like the 2011 Cows, I think the overlooked reasons for Houston's success this season are their system and defense. Rockets are 6th in defensive efficiency, 12th in offensive efficiency. I don't think anyone will credit Hardcan for being the anchor of Houston's defense. On offense, they run an extremely efficient system based on, yes, analytics. The Rockets pretty much only take shots in the paint or behind the 3pt line, and this has led to their offensive output being greater than the sum of its parts. Hardcan does a great job facilitating this offense, but I still think he's part of the system rather than the system itself (like a LeBron or Curry)

Well, nobody can argue with analytics when it comes to the Rockets. That's how Morey drafts and has built the team. That said, Harden is the Rockets offense. When he sits down Josh Smith frequently takes the point and is really the only guy outside of Corey Brewer and Terrence Jones who can create their own shot. That's why they blow so many big leads. You'll see the Rockets up like 14 in the 3rd quarter all the time only to see then sweating the game out because when Harden sat down to start the 4th and the opposing team went on a 10-2 run. I honestly think that's why he faded so badly in the Playoffs last year. Dudes legs were completely gone.
 
not a fan of the guy, but harden is the mvp no question. lol @ curry, give me his supporting cast and i'll give you 50 W's

Warriors came into this season off a 1st round playoff exit. This was Curry's supporting cast on opening night:

- A one-dimensional SG with a career high PER of 14.9 (league average is 15.0)

- A mediocre SF with a career high PER of 11.0

- A 6'7" PF drafted in the 2nd round with a career high PER of 12.7

- A 30 year old C best known for his ability to get injured coming off a 7.3 ppg season

- Granted the Warriors have a good bench but then again so do the Rockets


The fact that this is now considered a super-talented supporting cast is a testament to the impact Curry has on the game and how he makes everyone around him much much better simply by being on the court with him.

It's not a coincidence that so many Warriors players are having great seasons and GS has the best offense in the league. Here's a novel I wrote a few years ago after Curry got snubbed from the 2013 all-star game:

I think the biggest AllStar snub was Steph Curry by far. David Lee is basically having the same David Lee year he's always had for lotterycan teams (he actually had a higher PER last season as well as in his 2nd and 5th seasons), yet GS somehow manages to go from laughing stock to legit playoff team without any core roster movement over the offseason. They replaced a few role players, Bogut is still a debacle, and BOOM they go from 13th to 5th. It can't be David Lee making the difference because he's the same David Lee that's never made a difference (aside from this new fake-tufguy routine which is irrelevant anyways). Golden State's drastic turnaround derives from the addition of a healthy Stephen Curry actualizing his talent. Steve Nash did something similar with Phoenix and was rewarded with two MVPs; Curry can't make an All-Star team over the very Robin to his Batman? Dafaq?

People will say Curry isn't a "true PG", whatever that means. While he may not be a traditional PG -- it isn't tradition for PGs to possess his historic GOAT shooting ability -- he has the overall package of ball-handling skills, ambidextrous passing ability, and court vision that is > that of a Westbrook, Parker, Rose, Irving, etc. Perhaps he didn't seem like an elite PG when the Warriors were playing Montaball during Steph's first years in the league. Well then suppose this 2012-13 Lakers season of Kobeball was your introduction to Steve Nash; your first and only impression of him. What would you think of Nash's ability to run an offense?

Excluding LeBron, Curry is perhaps the most unique player in the game because of the fact that he's by far the game's most dangerous outside shooter AND he legitimately runs the point. That's never happened before. There's been pure-shooting PGs (Price, Nash, Stockton, Billups, etc), but none of them were able to get their outside shots off at will vs defenders like the lengthy lightning-release Curry can. There's been pure-shooting swingmen able to shoot over defenders from outside (Reggie Miller, Glen Rice, Dirk, etc), but swingmen in general don't tend to be particularly good ballhandlers/passers able to make defenses pay for over-extending perimeter coverage. Steph is the first player to ever impose this kind of checkmate on defenses where he compels them to over-extend their perimeter containment while at the same time compelling them to stay honest inside and on off-ball players. I'd never really thought of this before until recently when The World Champion Miami Heat went into Oakland and put the helpless Warriors offense into a straight-jacket for the entire game. GS scored 75 points on 36% because while Jarrett Jack had a decent scoring game for himself, Steph Curry wasn't there to keep the defense honest while simultaneously spreading the floor. And so you get Klay Thompson 1-8, Harrison Barnes 3-12, and 2013 AllStar David Lee 4-13. These Warriors are an incredibly easy team to defend without Curry.

If Curry keeps up his current pace, he'll be the only player in NBA history to ever average over 3 threes and 6 assists per game in the same season. That's not some random meaningless stat; it shows very directly just how historically unique Steph's GOAT shooting as a legit PG actually is. GS is currently 5th in the West. If they were to finish top-4, Curry is imo a legitimate second runner-up behind Durant for LeBron's 2013 MVP. Because without Curry, the 4th-place Warriors would be... the 13th-place 2011-12 Warriors
 
lmao at describing klay as a 'one-dimensional sg'. if klay was harden's teammate you'd be going on about how he has a 20.7 per, how he's the best two-way sg in the league, so on and so forth. your description of klay would lead a non-hoops fan to believe he was a bum, you're just dismissing an all-star talent because it helps curry look better. and lmao @ me reading a novel about curry being snubbed from a 2013 all star game, who gives a shit. with all due respect, please stfu, respect tho
 
Coming into this season everyone described Klay as a one-dimensional SG

For Klay's career he's been assisted on .631% of his 2pt FGs and .933% of his 3pt FGs. Steph Curry has a huge impact on Klay's value as a SG
 
nope, everybody knew coming into this season that he could defend. he's in his 4th year, of course he's going to get better, but you seem to credit curry overwhelmingly for that development because it makes him look better. he'd be showing improvements no matter where he was

it's heavies-tier analysis. it's the same principle as people who discredit fighters by combing through their record and listing faults with every single opponent they've fought (he was 32, he was short, he went on to lose his next 2 fights, ...). you can literally do that to anybody in any sport. if you put your mind to it, i'm sure you could make harden's supporting cast look just as bad (chronically injured coward who missed majority of the season, 38% shooting injured pg, no bench, one-dimensional 3 point specialist, ...). pretty easy thing to do

it's cool to say curry is the mvp, but it's not because he came into the season with terrible teammates as you suggest and made them all great lmao
 
What the hell happened to Chris Paul's defense?
 
lol Kadude I was obviously talking about offense. I'm not suggesting Curry makes his teammates better defensive players LMAO!!

Look, there's a reason why Klay never hit the league avg PER before this season. He's expanding his game but he's very heavily dependent on Curry

Gonna eat dinner now but when I'm done I'll try to look up Klay's numbers with and without Steph on the floor with him
 
What the hell happened to Chris Paul's defense?

Heard he's dealing with a sore achilles. He's been taking off game day shootarounds because of it.
 
lol Kadude I was obviously talking about offense. I'm not suggesting Curry makes his teammates better defensive players LMAO!!

Look, there's a reason why Klay never hit the league avg PER before this season. He's expanding his game but he's very heavily dependent on Curry

Gonna eat dinner now but when I'm done I'll try to look up Klay's numbers with and without Steph on the floor with him

any way you spin it, klay is too good to simply gloss over as a 'one-dimensional sg'. you're not talking about THJR my dude. i'm not seeing curry do anything significantly different this year to justify klay's jump in numbers. the biggest improvement i've seen is klay's own ball-handling
 
any way you spin it, klay is too good to simply gloss over as a 'one-dimensional sg'. you're not talking about THJR my dude. i'm not seeing curry do anything significantly different this year to justify klay's jump in numbers. the biggest improvement i've seen is klay's own ball-handling

Klay is the second best SG in the league behind Harden and there's an argument he's the second best two way player in the league behind Lebald
 
Curry is a more efficient scorer from everywhere on the court. Turns the ball over less. More steals/better defender. The Warriors are 4-0 against the Rockets this season.

He's going to win the MVP.
 
Klay is the second best SG in the league behind Harden

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and there's an argument he's the second best two way player in the league behind Lebald

yeah, he's a way better defender than lebroom at this point. you could argue davis for best two-way as well although his D has taken a backseat to his offense imo
 
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yeah, he's a way better defender than lebroom at this point. you could argue davis for best two-way as well although his D has taken a backseat to his offense imo

I wouldn't have any problem if someone went with Davis but like you said his D has taken a backseat this season. He just tries to block everything. I also don't think there's a chance he stays in NO
 
I wouldn't have any problem if someone went with Davis but like you said his D has taken a backseat this season. He just tries to block everything. I also don't think there's a chance he stays in NO

lol @ he tries to block everything, it's true tho. where do you think he goes?
 
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